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a smiling Douglas Brinkley shows up on MSNBC's Hardball, where he reassures host Chris Matthews that John Kerry "showed courage time and again." And "I find it disgusting that people are discussing whether he earned his first Purple Heart. . . . This is a right-wing August takedown on John Kerry, and rumors, accusations, innuendos [are] flying." Alas, "that's just how gutter politics is played sometimes in America."

No, no bias there. Unbelievable. Do these people hear themselves?

1 posted on 08/27/2004 10:33:51 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16
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To: NavySEAL F-16

So when Brinkley's account of the historical record is challenged, rather than responding with interviews or documents to defend his account, he attacks the eyewitnesses disputing his account for being "right-wing". He loses any claim to be a historian right there.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 10:43:01 PM PDT by Fedora
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This guy's career as an historian is finished. He sold his soul and reputation for John F'in Kerry.


3 posted on 08/27/2004 10:47:20 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Brinkly knows kerry's a serial liar yet he still covers for him. He knowingly authored a biography that's filled with lies. Brinkly has made himself a liar of the same calibur.


5 posted on 08/27/2004 10:56:42 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Somebody on one of these talk shows should ask Brinkley if he would have really revised portions of his book to make Admiral Hoffman look better as Kerry had promised they would if only Hoffman had been willing to join Kerry's band of brothers.....


10 posted on 08/27/2004 11:04:44 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: NavySEAL F-16

GRIDLEY Website page on John Kerry

http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html

Other crew members speak about John Kerry

(Looks like Kerry's shipmates, who did serve with him,
say he lied and told whoopers about his time on the GRIDLEY.

Remember these are not Swift Boat Vets,

BUT Kerry's crewmates who served with him on the GRIDLEY)

Examples follow:

"As everyone must surely know by now, John F. Kerry came on board
GRIDLEY as a boot Ensign when we returned from our 1967 Westpac
Cruise. He remained on GRIDLEY through the 1968 cruise. Politics
aside, shipmates of the time who have read TOUR OF DUTY, the
authorized campaign biography, will have something to say about the
chapter on GRIDLEY. "



1. Kerry never talked about his time on GRIDLEY. He says on page
74 that it is because “nothing much of note” happened while
he was
onboard. He uses words like monotony and tedious, when, despite
being a boot ensign he was given every opportunity for responsibility
by Captain Slifer and Commander Kelly (XO). He came aboard
designated for Electrical Officer (80100), a grunt position in the
Engineering Department and spent four months in that position. He
was assigned duty as First Lieutenant, as Commander Kelly recalls,
because of his knowledge of seamanship and his experiences with small
boats and sailing. Besides being responsible for the decks of the
ship, the First Lieutenant is also responsible for the ship’s
small
boats. He also was assigned collateral duties as Public Affairs
Officer. Despite all the responsibilities he was given, he gives the
impression that serving on GRIDLEY was somehow beneath him. He
certainly had less of an opportunity to collect “gongs” there.

2. Page 78 – “motivate 400 swabbies” – The First
Lieutenant is
responsible only for the personnel of 1st Division, not the entire
crew. 1st Division had a roster of about 30 in 1968. To the extent
that other divisions had responsibility for deck space, their
officers would have been responsible for motivating them.

3. Page 87 has Kerry “shuttling sailors and provisions”
between
GRIDLEY and KITTY HAWK in a small motor whaleboat out in the Gulf of
Tonkin. The regular method of travel between the two ships was via
helo. That is how I went over to the KITTY HAWK. If such an event
did occur, it would have been unusual and hardly a shuttle.

4. Later on page 87 Kerry talks about Olongapo in the Philippines.
He talks about bloated corpses floating in the river and starving
women with babies dying of malnutrition. Now Olongapo was a wild and
wooly town that existed solely for the entertainment of the US Navy,
but in over three years of calling there, I never saw a single
instance of either thing happening. Kerry uncovered this in his
first visit. If this was from his letters home then he was certainly
writing for dramatic effect. Balderdash.

5. The trip to Danang – GRIDLEY went into Danang for briefings
before going to Northern SAR. This section is so full of hyperbole
that the urge to giggle is almost uncontrollable. “The panic and
pressure onboard GRIDLEY, strapping on a .45, wondering if I would
have to use it, B-52’s howling overhead”. A B-52 over Danang
would
have been so high that only contrails would have been visible, cloud
cover permitting. David Simons confirmed my recollection that during
our brief stay in Danang Harbor, the sky was overcast to the point of
being ominous.

More seriously, no one can remember John Kerry going ashore. I was
part of the shore party that went to Monkey Mountain. We were taken
in a screened in truck (to protect against grenades being tossed in)
and made to unload our .45’s. The driver said that he did not
want
us newbies to shoot anyone by accident.

Neither Commander Kelly nor LCDR Rueckert (Kerry’s immediate
boss)
can recall approving a trip ashore for Ensign Kerry. The author uses
remarks of David Simons IC2 as a lead in to the Danang section. I
spoke to David and he has no personal knowledge of Kerry going ashore
at all. He did talk to a researcher and made some generic remarks
about Danang but had never discussed Danang with Kerry. He recalls
arguing with the researcher because he tried to put the
words “cowboy” in his mouth, which ended up in the book.

There is no mystery about the “gruesome site of a pile of dead
VC.”
We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey
Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the
LZ’s
after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before.
Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore
party.

If, indeed, he got to the pier, because he was in charge of the
motor whaleboat, it certainly would not have been within his purview
to wander Danang, eating dog meat and drinking beer in a bar (under
arms). It also seems amazing that he had all these observations on
Vietnam in such a brief visit.

6. In command – Again with the hyperbole. Kerry makes much
about
being “in charge” of the ship after the Captain and XO. The
OOD is
in charge of the operation of the ship during his four hour watch but
hardly in charge of the ship. Kerry qualified almost immediately as
OOD(P), in port OOD but that is a given. For much of his time
onboard he would have been Junior Officer of the Deck when underway.
Although his fitness report as of 22 March says "he is qualified as
OOD(I) now" (Independent steaming – with no ships or land
anywhere
near) , only OOD(P) is listed under duties. His Fitness Report from
July 1968 lists two months as OOD(I) which would mean he qualified
after leaving the war zone.


11 posted on 08/27/2004 11:15:05 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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Brinkley claiming to be objective......that made me laugh so hard I almost puked on my Kerry Voodoo doll.


15 posted on 08/27/2004 11:19:20 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Brinkley is a broken windbag.


16 posted on 08/27/2004 11:21:08 PM PDT by The Bandit
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Brinkley is going to be discredited like Doris Kearns Goodwin.


17 posted on 08/27/2004 11:25:25 PM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry cried and asked TaRAYaz to make the SwiftVets stop)
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I sent an e-mail to WinterSoldier.com, questioning the authenticity of an old newpaper article they published. How did they respond, you ask? Did they get defensive, and try to turn it around on me? No! They sent me an e-mail, outlining their source for the article, and giving me hints on how I could check it out for myself. They did not insist I just take their word for it. They didn't even seem offended that I would have doubts. Then they checked back with me a few days later, to see if there was anything else they could offer to help me verify the facts, independent of the documentation they had. When you have the truth on your side, that's how you respond to someone who questions you.

Keep digging, kerry.
You're doing fine.


18 posted on 08/27/2004 11:32:26 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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a smiling SWEATING Douglas Brinkley shows up on MSNBC's Hardball
24 posted on 08/28/2004 12:07:02 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Where exactly can I get Brinkley's phone number or email or fax number??

Or that of his publishing company, or boss or whatever?


28 posted on 08/28/2004 12:34:38 AM PDT by Edit35
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Howlin is right about Brinkley sweating like a pig when he made that calculated HARDBALL appearance. But I don't know why....Matthews only asked puffball questions.

Kerry won't release all his records or his journal, he says because he signed an "exclusivity contract with David Brinkley, and Brinkley won't answer reporters questions because he's under contract with MSNBC. Clever scam, huh?

35 posted on 08/28/2004 3:47:08 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Hyper-ventilating Historians Lie.com)
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"And, okay, Brinkley's "angry" about "false accusations made against Kerry's military record.""

If the accusations are false Doug, why the rewrite?

44 posted on 08/28/2004 6:29:58 AM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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They also keep forgetting we have long memories and eventually we do serve a dish best served cold. First Kerry then Jane Fonda.

Douglas you'll have to wait your turn but it will come.

In the MEAN time, (I do intend both definitions of the first word), No book profits from us and we are spreading the word.

He-he! Got your financial papers up to date?


46 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:34 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Douglas Brinkley dresses up in his old college football uniform to play some ball with John F'in Kerry.

"When you feel the reacharound, pass the buck back to me and run interference. If you don't I'm toast."

48 posted on 08/28/2004 8:17:52 AM PDT by spycatcher
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