[hopespringseternal]

I thought Yang was also wrongly NOT docked two tenths for having too many holds?

[JacksonCalhoun]

That's what Tim Daggett pointed out during the apparatus finals.

[federal]

I thought Yang was also wrongly NOT docked two tenths for having too many holds?

What you say is true, but if the IOC admits that then they have no ground for the opportunistic USA bashing they just love so much.

[KenD]

Yeah, I saw that too, so why NOW are they STILL trying to say Hamm didn't get the Gold, let's see... give the Korean the .1 he should NOT have lost and take away the .2 he should have... looks like the KOREAN should give back HIS BRONZE to me!

[cwiz24]

The outcome of judged events like gymnastics will always be subjective. As Hamm has pointed out, if the slo-mo tapes were examined for every gymnast that competed for that medal, every gymnast's standing would be changed. Judges are human and they make mistakes, but that is the nature of the sport and, IMHO, what makes it so interesting.

[pbear8]

There are two issues here -

1. An initial error by the judges who gave the Korean's routine a 9.9 start value instead of a 10. Under that circumstance the Korean got the bronze and Paul Hamm got the gold.

2. Reviewing the Korean's routine revealed that he performed 4 holds instead of the allowable 3 per routine. The deduction for this is .2. If the judges correctly taken this deduction Paul Hamm still wins and the Korean is out of the medals.

Either way the rightful winner of the gold medal is Paul Hamm - USA - and he should just smile and be gracious as he has throughout this ordeal caused solely by judge's errors.

[fortunecookie]

Right. And that leaves Paul Hamm in the clear as far as the IOC is concerned, which, I'm sure, is why they've backed off. They're all focusing on the 1/10 and ignoring the 2/10 deduction. He should keep it. And the Koreans were initially outraged, because the lowered scoring start point kept him out of the gold, until the tape was reviewed and then the glaring 2/10's deduction fault by the Korean became obvious. They should all give it a rest and let Paul enjoy his gold. There's no shame in silver, either. The Korean looked great and should be proud, but I know some countries put an awful lot of emphasis on gold only and are also jealous that the US is cleaning up in the medals standings.

What you say is true, but if the IOC admits that then they have no ground for the opportunistic USA bashing they just love so much.

And then what would they do for fun? The booing directed toward Paul and the US indirectly was just shameful. But so many love to bash the US and believe, despite the EU Olympic site and EU judges and EU IOC committees, that they are biased toward the US that it will be hard to convince them otherwise. No point in trying, the math prevails here.

[GRRRRR]

THAT IS CORRECT!! The judges MESSED UP on his parallel bar routine and SHOULD have deducted 0.2...so kiss off IOC!!

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I thought Yang was also wrongly NOT docked two tenths for having too many holds?

Exactly right.

[Mister Baredog]

I thought Yang was also wrongly NOT docked two tenths for having too many holds?

They kinda left that part out of the story. You are correct, so why is this still an issue. IMO because Hamm in American, one of the evil ones. (sick)

[RJL]

I thought Yang was also wrongly NOT docked two tenths for having too many holds?

And with that .2 deduction Yang would have finished 4th, out of the medals altogether.

[HamiltonJay]

Yes, that was my understanding as well, The Korean was imporoperly not docted a 10th for his 4th, and improper hold, but when the scores were certified the total score or something was incorrect and so he was doced a 10th from the scores that appeared on the board by an error.

So they missed doccing him a 10th for his 4th hold position, but he did lose a 10th from score because of an error in addition.... sounds to me like a wash.

[keats5]

"I thought Yang was also wrongly NOT docked two tenths for having too many holds?"

That's what I heard, too.