Social Security Benefits sought for Illegal Aliens

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher ^ | 8/26/04 | Self

[editor-surveyor]

The concept of rewarding crimnals, and punishing victims starts in early childhood: Schools punish the kids that hit the bully back, and let the bully go cuz the teach "didn't see it."

It's part of our culture now :o(

[WRhine]

You'll think differently if Bush wins. The best hope for this republic in the next four years is Gridlock, sweet Gridlock. Kerry, unlike Bush will have little influence in Congress and another election to be mindful of.

[Ciexyz]

Pass the word!

[AuntB]

You may be right. I hope not. The big problem is the 2 party system. It's adversarial at best. I will never put that D or R next to my name. This country was not set up to have such a party system. Gridlock is not all bad, unless you're at war.

Another good read on our subject is Victor Davis Hanson. Here's a good transcript on his book "Mexifornia" from Booknotes on Cspan.

http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1747&QueryText=Mexifornia

~snip~

HANSON: Well, because it`s a very strange thing that`s happening. We have the corporate conservative right who wants a perennial supply, I think, of cheap labor, who is in alliance with the therapeutic left that wants an unassimilated constituency. And the language that we use -- protectionist or racist -- precludes discussion of this issue, which is -- we have an election coming up in California, a bizarre election. But we have this 800-pound gorilla of illegal immigration, and it doesn`t have anything to do with Mexicans or Mexico or legal immigration. It`s a particular illegal immigration from Mexico that`s starting a whole series of inconsistencies, antitheses problems. And we`re not discussing it.


LAMB: What`s the -- what are the numbers?


HANSON: Well, we don`t know. Nationwide, I think the U.S. census suggests there`s nine million illegal aliens. I`ve seen figures of 15 or 19, 20, that advocates on both the left and right will use, that are currently in the United States. In California, I`ve seen as many as 3 to 4 million. A term that`s used now is immigrants, meaning people were born in Mexico, and that precludes the argument whether they`re here illegally or legally. But whatever the term we use, it`s a radical shift since, say, 1970, where we had 400,000, not 4 million. And most of them were here legally, and we had the assimilationist pattern, where we had no bilingual education, no Chicano studies, and it was based on assimilation, intermarriage and unity of the United States. And I -- and I grew up in that generation, and the people that I knew -- I was one of the few non-Mexican-Americans in my school district. They`re all smashing successes now.

[jrp]

The only possible good is this might hasten the collapse of this corrupt scam we call Social Security. If there is any issue that makes my blood boil, it's thinking about the almost $10K (and rising) a year I'm forced to drop down this rat hole, with no property right or guarantee of any type of return from my "contributions". Meanwhile more and more govenment employees, (especially here in CA) are retiring early with ridiculously generous guaranteed pensions.

[RnMomof7]

The sad thing is both parties are determined to kill the economy of this nation and drive us into a 3rd world status.
This will bankrupt Social Security and drive the elderly onto the welfare rolls or have them selling apples in the street .

If this happens, the flood of Mexicans coming over the Border will triple.

We are witnessing the best government money can buy selling our nation .

[AuntB]

Another good read on our subject is Victor Davis Hanson. Here's a good transcript on his book "Mexifornia" from Booknotes on Cspan.

http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1747&QueryText=Mexifornia



~snip~
HANSON: My point was to convey to the Mexican immigrant community that we ourselves are schizophrenic about it. What do you do -- for example, I talked to a farmer who employs illegal aliens and says, Well, nobody will work, and these people are the hardest-working people in the world, which they are. And then he says, But you know, I don`t want to go to this restaurant in Salma because -- with my family because everybody takes their clothes off. They stand out in -- with their boxer shorts, where the put their clothes in the washing machine. They sit there. And this is not civilized.


And I suggest to them, Well, if you pay them cash and they`re not legal citizens and they don`t have the capital, then what do you expect them to do? So we`ve also created in California this aristocratic lifestyle for upper-middle-class Californians that would be not possible elsewhere, where we have literally millions of Californians whose lawns are cut by people who are here illegally from Mexico, whose children are watched, whose houses are cleaned.


But the problem with that is that these people don`t just fly to Mars, as they would assume, given the wages that they get and given the status of which they enjoy, which they can`t participate in the civic life of California, then we have to do something to bring -- give them the advantages that we do. And that means entitlements. And we have a $38 billion deficit right now on an annual basis, and we`re starting to see the wages of that.

[AuntB]

Think about this, jrp, the people who determine your eligibility for SS benefits never have to worry about depending on it.

[FITZ]

It will easily end up being the level of fraud we saw in the 80's amnesty when an estimated 300,000 illegls were to be given amnesty and 3,000,000 people who had never before stepped foot in the USA came over to claim it.

Lots of illegals actually have several stolen identifies --- there would be nothing keeping each of their identities from making a claim. You could have 10 relatives share a stolen social security number --- with each claiming to have worked 6 quarters to each get full benefits when one might have actually worked 60 quarters all himself which would "entitle" only one to one set of full benefits.

Every time an illegal who has staked a claim on our social security dies, you could have any number of survivors step forward claiming to be entitled for survivor benefits. Mexico has large numbers of "common-law" families and it would be impossible to limit the claims.

[AuntB]

Another good read on our subject is Victor Davis Hanson. Here's a good transcript on his book "Mexifornia" from Booknotes on Cspan.

http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1747&QueryText=Mexifornia



~snip~

"LAMB: What`s the responsibility -- legal responsibility, if they`re in this country illegally, when it comes to health care and things like that?


HANSON: Well, there is none. That issue`s already been adjudicated. When the population of California voted under 187 to deny illegal immigrants state entitlements, that was overturned by a federal court, I think on the basis that part of the funding was federal funds, and the federal government hadn`t made that decision. It was usurping federal control. But so it`s wide open. And because we are -- despite the invective, we are a liberal, humane society, when somebody comes into the Salma hospital, as I went in the other day, and he`s stabbed or shot or hurt or falls off a ladder, he`s going to get the level of care that we can provide, and he`s not going to be able to pay for it. And the only way we`re going to explain that is that he works hard and perhaps he paid taxes. But if we look at statistics, given the nature of unskilled labor, the entitlement is costing the state five times more than the person`s contributing in taxes."

[MegaSilver]

Don't worry.

At this rate, the economy will collapse within five years. Then I imagine all illegal (as well as many legal) Mexicans will leave the United States.

[jrp]

Thanks, I feel so much better ;-)

[janetgreen]

And what again are the differences between republicans and democrats? I just get so confused these days. Which ones are supposed to be conservative and looking out for the interests of Americans?

The present day Republicans, the RINOS, have completely turned their backs on conservative voters. If this isn't a reason to turn to a third party, I don't know what is. Constitution Party here I come.

[texastoo]

This is from the House Ways and Means committee.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/ss/mexicofacts.pdf

The second to last paragraph on page 1 basically says that we are in trouble if the estimate of 25% is wrong. The last paragraph on page 2 also talks about the billions that this boondoggle could cost us if our government has underestimated. This has a very huge potential of breaking SS.

[AuntB]

" Then I imagine all illegal (as well as many legal) Mexicans will leave the United States."

Ya think? I rather imagine them breaking in my door to steal my food first for the trip. Unless the white trash get it first.

[MegaSilver]

Ya think? I rather imagine them breaking in my door to steal my food first for the trip. Unless the white trash get it first.

Oh, I'm sure that'll happen, too. We'll be a nice big Anglophonic Argentina within ten years; just you wait.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

I'm (thankfully so far) not familiar with AARP, but if they have a forum or local groups, it would be great to get them involved in this. Anyone here an AARP member?

[applemac_g4]

>Maybe it is time for an American Nationalist Party.

There already is one.

http://www.constiutionparty.com

Unfortunately, most conservatives don't have the courage to vote for it.

[AuntB]

I've tried. And tried. Email. Mail. Fax. Phone. No one wants to hear it at AARP. But if a bunch of people contacted them, they would notice. No one hears a lonewacko....LOL!!!

I'm delirious. Good night!

[TLI]

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