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"Vietnam: Nixon's War? Better Think Again
West Linn Tidings ^ | June 23, 2004 | Diane L. Gruber

Posted on 08/26/2004 12:11:46 PM PDT by loveliberty2

"In recent months the Democratic presidential hopeful, John Forbes Kerry, has taken to calling the Vietnam War “Nixon’s War.” Misinformation and falsehoods repeated often enough over time “become” fact, particularly when the mainstream media fails to set the record straight. "Let’s examine the facts about “Nixon’s War.” .... "My future husband’s childhood friend returned from Vietnam in a body bag in May 1966, the same time Kerry wrote to his local draft board requesting an additional 12-month deferment so that he could go to Paris. When the board refused, he enlisted in the Navy for a four-year term. Johnson was still president. "By the middle of 1966 Americans were long since accustomed to tuning in to the nightly news broadcast on ABC, NBC and/or CBS to find out about the day’s combat action. . . . . Johnson was still president. "By the summer of 1968, the number of U.S. troops in Vietnam had increased to 550,000 with an additional 70,000 offshore with the U.S. Seventh Fleet. Johnson was still president. Shortly after returning to Vietnam to command a six-man boat on the Mekong Delta, Kerry experienced his first intense combat action in December 1968. Americans were dying at a rate of 300 per week. Johnson was still president. "When Johnson left office on Jan. 20, 1969 there were 540,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Vietnam. That’s 34 times as many as when he took office. Almost 38,000 Americans lost their lives during the five years Johnson held the presidency. .... "Shortly after taking office, President Nixon put a policy in place to reduce America’s involvement in Vietnam. In 1972 the last American ground combat units left Vietnam. The military draft was terminated in 1973." (More)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; lbj; nixon; nixons; speeches; vietnam; vietnamwar; war
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Diane L. Gruber is a Member, Oregon State Bar's House of Delegates (Read her entire article)

The "Nixon's War" comment has been used repeatedly during 2004. Facts should be used to discredit Kerry's and the Democrats' claims.

1 posted on 08/26/2004 12:11:48 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

If they tell the story that way long enough, they believe most will forget about Johnson's astonishing escalation of forces...and that he was still Prez in 1968. Too many were born after that era for a majority to have a clear personal memory of the events.


2 posted on 08/26/2004 12:13:46 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: loveliberty2
Nixon's war, eh? Is that like Ike's World War Two and Hoover's First World War?
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3 posted on 08/26/2004 12:14:22 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: loveliberty2

Revisonism is a way of life.


4 posted on 08/26/2004 12:16:32 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I'm Conspiracy Guy and I approve this message. "John Kerry is a liar!")
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To: loveliberty2

IIRC, Ike sent military advisors. JFK sent combat troops as a police action. LBJ bumped it to a full-scale war then bailed as prez cause of it. Nixon pulled us out.


5 posted on 08/26/2004 12:17:09 PM PDT by PinnedAndRecessed (O.K! I made the "about" page. So read it, already!)
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To: loveliberty2

Yea, well the 'Rat party thinks that the majority of Americans either can't read and/or have short memories...the 'Rats hadn't figured on those millions of us who not only can read but know who the POTUS was in 1968...unlike John Kerry who obviously didn't know then and still doesn't know today who the POTUS was in 1968!


6 posted on 08/26/2004 12:17:28 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: PinnedAndRecessed

Why is it that there is a Democrat persident in charge whenever a major war breaks out?


7 posted on 08/26/2004 12:20:50 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: loveliberty2

Google search for "Nixon's War" revealed this and more articles pointing out Kerry's misuse of history. The link there is www.westlinntidings.com/article/3608


8 posted on 08/26/2004 12:21:19 PM PDT by loveliberty2 (.)
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To: PinnedAndRecessed
Nixon pulled us out

Not until he esclated bombings which did nothing. He only pulled out as he had other troubles to worry about with the Pentagon Papers and Watergate.

Course he was given a really bad hand with Vietnam, mainly through LBJ's actions.
9 posted on 08/26/2004 12:22:06 PM PDT by lelio
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To: loveliberty2

Sorry, that's http://www.westlinntidings.com/article/3608


10 posted on 08/26/2004 12:22:21 PM PDT by loveliberty2 (.)
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The military draft was terminated in 1973."..

And by the direct efforts of the same man that Democrats and Lyndon Johnson branded as a "War Monger", Senator Barry Goldwater. Goldwater watched as he saw the Johnson administration and the Pentagon use up young Americans like cannon fodder. The Goldwater-Nichols Act was a result. Goldwater is known to have said that: "Never again will an American president be able to abuse the power of conscription for political use". Goldwater, LBJ's opponent in 1964, ended the draft in 1973.

11 posted on 08/26/2004 12:31:06 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: kellynla
Nixon was President in 1968, but only in Cambodia.

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13 posted on 08/26/2004 12:35:25 PM PDT by George Smiley (Tagline removed pursuant to threatening letters from DNC and Kerry/Edwards attorneys.)
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To: Papatom; PinnedAndRecessed
It's funny how we all see the same thing differently.

I remember we were negotiating with the North and they were dragging their feet because they could see the public was not behind the war and they figured if they just waited we would leave. Nixon started bombing in the North and then the negotiations started moving.
14 posted on 08/26/2004 12:39:00 PM PDT by fritzz (He that is good at making Excuses… Is seldom good at anything else....Ben Franklin)
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To: lelio
Course he was given a really bad hand with Vietnam, mainly through LBJ's actions.

Especially when LBJ gave his televised speech regarding his declining a second term. This was a signal to North Vietnam that America, at the very top, was weakening. LBJ started the Vietnam War, as we have come to know it, in order to insure that Saigon did not fall to the North before LBJ could be reelected in 1968. Instead, LBJ cut and ran like a craven coward. LBJ should have stood for reelection in 1968, war or not. Even had LBJ lost to Nixon, it would have sent a different message to North Vietnam rather than defeat. And more young men at the time would be grandfathers now.

15 posted on 08/26/2004 12:43:30 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: George Smiley

Ya have to wonder how all these so called "geniuses" ever passed the LSAT much less pass the bar exam???
I've never seen so many dumb people in high places in all my life...
but I guess if they were all that smart they wouldn't be in politics now would they? LMAO


16 posted on 08/26/2004 12:44:27 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

It brings to mind the statement about someone being "educated beyond their intelligence", and Orwell's quip about 'some ideas being so stupid that only an intellectual would believe them'.


17 posted on 08/26/2004 12:46:47 PM PDT by George Smiley (Tagline removed pursuant to threatening letters from DNC and Kerry/Edwards attorneys.)
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To: kellynla

Check this out- I think I found a (17 of 16???) bug:

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"Vietnam: Nixon's War? Better Think Again ^

Posted by George Smiley to kellynla
On News/Activism ^ 08/26/2004 3:46:47 PM EDT · 17 of 16 ^


18 posted on 08/26/2004 12:48:36 PM PDT by George Smiley (Tagline removed pursuant to threatening letters from DNC and Kerry/Edwards attorneys.)
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To: lelio
Not until he esclated bombings which did nothing. He only pulled out as he had other troubles to worry about with the Pentagon Papers and Watergate.

The bombings made the NVs believe that we were serious, and brought them to the Paris peace talks with serious proposals. The process of pulling out began shortly after Nixon took office. Watergate as an event took place on 6/17/72, and neither it nor the Pentagon Papers stuff (i.e. the break-in at Ellsberg's psychiatrist) even showed up on anyone's radar until after the election (it couldn't have, else Nixon wouldn't have won in a massive landslide). The last US ground forces pulled out in early 1973.

I'd hardly say that Nixon was flawless regarding the Viet Nam War, but he did do what he said he'd do: get us out with some degree of dignity. The peace treaty was signed, IIRC, on 1/28/73, a mere 8 days after his first term was over. Had the NVs held to what they had promised, today there would be a free South Vietnam. Had the Democrap-controlled Congress allowed Nixon and Ford to sell the SVs equipment and ammo, they might have fought off the NVs.

Please don't buy into the Democrap's story, but look at the facts, instead.

19 posted on 08/26/2004 12:49:12 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: George Smiley

Okay I am totally confused? LOL
What am I supposed to be "checking out?"


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20 posted on 08/26/2004 12:53:34 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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