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1 posted on 08/26/2004 4:48:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Kerry's World: Father Knows Best***"..........Americans," he [Richard Kerry] writes, "are inclined to see the world and foreign affairs in black and white." They celebrate their own form of government and denigrate all others, making them guilty of what he calls "ethnocentric accommodation -- everyone ought to be like us." As a result, America has committed the "fatal error" of "propagating democracy" and fallen prey to "the siren's song of promoting human rights," falsely assuming that our values and institutions are a good fit in the Third World. And, just as Americans exaggerate their own goodness, they exaggerate their enemies' badness. The Soviet Union wasn't nearly as imperialistic as American politicians warned, Kerry argues. "Seeing the Soviet Union as the aggressor in every instance, and the U.S. as only reacting defensively, relieves an American observer from the need to see any parallel between our use of military power in distant parts of the world, and the Soviet use of military power outside the Soviet Union," he writes. He further claims that "Third world Marxist movements were autonomous national movements" -- outside Moscow's orbit. The book culminates in a plea for a hardheaded, realist foreign policy that removes any pretense of U.S. moral superiority. ..........***
2 posted on 08/26/2004 4:49:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Kerry's testimony in April 1971 was eloquent, persuasive and damning. Consistent with his cautious instincts, Kerry never joined the extremist America-haters who hoped for a North Vietnamese victory, but instead he patiently explained to senators why the war was a disaster.

So, the plot to assassinate U.S. Senators was just one of those crazy kids pranks? He was there, he should know.

4 posted on 08/26/2004 4:51:38 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (Let them speak! www.swiftvets.com)
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Can't accuse the MSM of not going to bat for Kerry.

One thing struck me this morning.

They're willing to call O'Neill a liar over his Cambodia remarks, but Kerry is only mistaken, or off by a couple miles when he made remarks about Cambodia.


6 posted on 08/26/2004 4:53:33 AM PDT by dawn53
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This fro the LA Times? Interesting...the shift to Kerry's post Vietnam activities begun by the Swiftboat ad on Monday has made it to MSM. Naturally, of course, the left coast journal sees history as decided by the liberals who dominate academia. We will see, as the lies of Kerry's political allies in the 1970s, and the economic and social disaster that is Southeast Asia today, are revealed.
8 posted on 08/26/2004 4:57:10 AM PDT by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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Kerry's Vietnam "experience" certainly should have been off limits in this campaign....



IF HE HADN'T USED IT AS HIS PLATFORM FOR ELECTION - and basis to be establish his credibility as a leader and "hero". His use of Vietnam (and the accompanying lies that keep surfacing) makes the whole issue a legitimate target.

KERRY started it.


9 posted on 08/26/2004 4:59:08 AM PDT by TheBattman (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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"That's their premise: We could have won the war by 1971 if not for Kerry and his ilk."

Try again. That is NOT their premise nor is it that we could have won the war.
Their premise is that this pos dumblecrat nominee stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back by hyping supposed war crimes to smear everyone who served, spit on this country and the flag he now wants to defend, gave aid and comfort to the enemy, caused harm to the POW's and is a bold faced liar.


Thats just a little different.


10 posted on 08/26/2004 4:59:38 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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The Dog Trainer's Lefties can't help themselves. Second editorial serenading John F*ckin' in two days! Its all about saving their investment now in their fading Golden Boy. TM If that means white-washing his anti-America and anti-military activism in the years subsequent to his record from Vietnam, so be it. Looks like the DT's DNC propaganda machine has gone into overdrive.
11 posted on 08/26/2004 4:59:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Mistakes were made in the Vietnam War, and we should learn from them, but the mistakes are not necessarily what people might first think. Here are the big ones.

1) Politization: When we use a war to separate the parties within the US, we are making a huge mistake. The war started out being a split within the Democrat party between the anti-war youth and the older more conservative Democrats who started and expanded the war. Once Nixon was elected, it became a Democrat vs Republican issue and took on a similar slant to what we are seeing today. People using the war as a blunt instrument to attack their political opponent.

2) Media Antagonism: Rather than support our troops as the media did during WW2, we saw (and again see) the media turn against our own troops. While this war started out OK with embedded reporters demonstrating the bravery and skill of our troops, they now embed themselves with the enemy. They show endless re-runs of Abu Graib and undermine the morale of our troops.

3) Political Management of Military Actions: Because of items 1 and 2 above, military leaders find themselves making tactical plans that are more concerned about political ramifications than military ones. In Vietnam, we would lose good men to take a hill so it could be announced as a victory on the evening news, only to relinquish it the next day as it had no military value. Today we see ourselves surrounding militia in a Mosque, and then dropping back to avoid political haymaking that would assuredly appear if we were to scratch its golden dome. This will paralyze our leaders and demoralize our fighters.

The Kerry folks think the mistake in Vietnam was fighting at all, I think the mistake was NOT WINNING. By letting the fight drag on, we lost the moral imperative and the decisive military ability to win.

We should publically state that we will not allow mosques or any other shrine to be used as a haven and then flatten them if they get in one.


14 posted on 08/26/2004 5:03:00 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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The FBI files reveal:

1. VVAW Plan to assassinate seven US senators.

2. VVAW was training to execute a Phoenix plan to decapitate the leaders of the US Government.

3. Member of VVAW arrested enroute to VP Agnew speech with an explosive device (BOMB).

4. VVAW running guns to a black militant group in Cairo IL.

5. VVAW funded by Communist party of America.

6. VVAW receiving funds from the Communist Party of a country in Europe.

7. VVAW taking directions from the North Vietnamese Communist Government.

8. VVAW sent tapes to NV to be played to our POW's being held by the communists.

9. VVAW sent its leaders (Kerry was a leader) to NV to be indoctrinated by the NV Communists.

10. FBI files indicate that Kerry only resigned the exeutive committee of the VVAW.

And I found this article which proves he was still with the VVAW as a leader as late as Feb. 1972.

Kerry's in deep http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=26038


15 posted on 08/26/2004 5:03:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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"Undoubtedly, Kerry was overwrought when he declared that atrocities by American soldiers were ubiquitous."

He was not overwrought, he was full of $hit.


16 posted on 08/26/2004 5:03:47 AM PDT by Max Combined
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So typical of the LA Times, as well as all the rest of the Tribune group to decide that all the guys who were in the service during the Nam were war criminals.

More recently the Tribune group proved itself to be a hotbed of thugs and thieves with it's misrepresentation of circulation figures to ABC.

John Ashcroft should reinitiate that prosecution he had prepared and be done with it. These people deserve no quarter.

19 posted on 08/26/2004 5:05:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Many of those who condemn Kerry for opposing the Vietnam War are too young to have been politically aware during that period.

Hitler was long dead before I was politcaly aware. I suppose now my negative opinions of him are invalid.

22 posted on 08/26/2004 5:10:11 AM PDT by tbpiper
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I can't even bring myself to click on the link to finish reading this piece of crap.


24 posted on 08/26/2004 5:16:54 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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As a public service, why doesn't the LA Times and the rest of the media publish exactly what Kerry said in his testimony? All we ever hear is the last man to die quote. Let the people judge if what Kerry said is merely "overwrought."


25 posted on 08/26/2004 5:17:31 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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That is it! The mainstream stinking liberal press is the enemy. We most move very aggressively at the aholes. when this campaign is over win or lose we go after them! We have been giving tax breaks and responding to big business issues all over the place. Very wealthy Republicans have been given the edge over middle class Republicans. Big business gets the breaks over middle sized and small business. And then these dirty scum suckers treat us like this! Our reps in congress need to lay it on the line with big business that they will be held responsible for the big business owned establishment media. Sometimes I think that it would be good for someone like kerry to get either to show the public what phonies they are or if they do hurt the Establishment, why the liberal press is everyones enemy.
26 posted on 08/26/2004 5:18:17 AM PDT by bilhosty
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"the argument over Vietnam was settled long ago, and a majority of Americans decided that Kerry was right"

...well...uh...if not exactly a majority of Americans, then...uh...a majority of everybody (the author of this screed) knows...and that's anybody that's anybody...I mean, nobody else counts! You know what I mean? I mean just everybody thinks Kerry was right! (The author of this screed) just doesn't know anybody that's not for Kerry! For goodness sake!

27 posted on 08/26/2004 5:31:52 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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Many of those who condemn Kerry for opposing the Vietnam War are too young to have been politically aware during that period. The rest are fighting very old battles. But the fact is that the argument over Vietnam was settled long ago, and a majority of Americans decided that Kerry was right.

The writer fails to mention that communist sympathizers like John Kerry and the media of that era were birds of a feather. Job #1 for them was to mislead the American public while trashing our Armed Forces. Sound familiar? It's deja vu all over again.

28 posted on 08/26/2004 5:32:29 AM PDT by auboy (MSM's creed: see no truth, hear no truth, speak no truth.)
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Uh, Bush was *overwrought* about Iraq. Are you on his side NOW, LASlimes...?
31 posted on 08/26/2004 5:35:43 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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Kerry's testimony in April 1971 was eloquent, persuasive and damning.

And factually devoid, and slanderous hearsay, and a good propaganda tool, and treasonous, and..... Well, y'all get the picture.
33 posted on 08/26/2004 5:38:07 AM PDT by wasp69 (The Recipe For A Great Story: Pinch Of Cope, A Touch Of Fact, A Big Helping Of Imagination)
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Kerry's testimony in April 1971 was eloquent, persuasive and damning.

The writer left out the part that Kerry's testimony was a complete fabrication.

34 posted on 08/26/2004 5:38:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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