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Lubricating the drive
e4Engineering.com ^ | 8/25/04

Posted on 08/25/2004 2:18:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: bikepacker67
"sterically hindered polyester" That's gotta hurt...

There was a lot of 70s polyester that deserved to be hindered -- by whatever means available...

61 posted on 08/25/2004 5:35:30 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yep


62 posted on 08/25/2004 6:47:16 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I'm Conspiracy Guy and I approve this message. "John Kerry is a liar!")
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To: SpyGuy

Thanks Cliff


63 posted on 08/25/2004 6:50:01 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I'm Conspiracy Guy and I approve this message. "John Kerry is a liar!")
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; Xenalyte
"Yodeling in the gully.

Salivating tulips...

64 posted on 08/25/2004 7:02:11 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: RightWhale
30,000 rpm is the limit.

Myth Busters mounted a CD on a shaper, and I think they had to boost the speed to get it to shatter. Around 30K RPM, iirc.

Routers, and plain old CD drives just wouldn't do it.

65 posted on 08/25/2004 7:16:15 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: RightWhale

That's gotta hurt.


66 posted on 08/25/2004 7:21:50 PM PDT by null and void (KERRY'S A POODLE: He's French, A Rich Lady's Pet, Won't Protect You, and Spends lots on grooming...)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Salivating tulips...

Jackin' the Beanstalk

67 posted on 08/25/2004 9:06:19 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you decide to kick the tiger in the ass...you'd better be prepared to deal with the teeth.)
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To: Calvin Locke

But a CD is a simple plastic disk, only modestly balanced.

A hard is machined aluminimm, much srtonger, thicker, and balanced. Surface is smoother too -> less vibration.


68 posted on 08/25/2004 9:36:16 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: LibWhacker

Muttly hopes it will stand up better than whatever they currently use to his monthly "dip the computer and t.v. in Bleach" policy.

You never can be too sure these days.

Next time, however, Muttly intends to un-plug the t.v. first. Well...the new t.v. It did seem to fix the problem though...


69 posted on 08/25/2004 9:44:16 PM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Now, there you go again.")
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To: sc2_ct
I personally think that we're about to see the end of mechanical storage entirely. It's my guess that with the introduction of the S-ATA standards that we'll be seeing solid-state memory. Another option is massively multi-layer 3D read holographic storage (similar in concept to multi-layer DVDs but much higher capacity and faster access).

Agreed. Dress it up all you want, but really a hard drive nothing more than an elaborate tape recorder.

70 posted on 08/25/2004 9:48:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
But a CD is a simple plastic disk,

A bit more, but yes, I doubt it was designed for the desired speeds (xfer rates) nowadays.

BTW, last time I disassembled a hard drive, probably a 3.2GB, the disks were less than half the thickness of a CD, iirc.

71 posted on 08/25/2004 10:27:45 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: LibWhacker
Just to nitpick, tiny arm that reaches over the disk is not the slider, but the Head Gimbel Assembly (HGA). The Slider is the part at the end of the HGA that contains the read and write heads and acts to control the distance of the heads from the disk.

Stiction is an interaction of surface energies driven by the micro-roughness of the disk much more than the lubricant. When you shut your drive down, the head automatically goes to either a rough area at the center ring of the disk or a ramp off of the disk because if the head were on the disk when it stopped the stiction would either seize the drive or rip the heads off.

Finally, 10k RPM is not becoming common but is still a fairly high end drive mostly reserved for servers. Most desktops are doing just fine with 7200RPM. Most mobile drives turn at 5200 RPM but newer high end drives are getting to 7200RPM. The fastest drives are up to 15k RPM but are a very small market.
72 posted on 08/25/2004 11:13:20 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: LibWhacker

That is an interesting link, but it is a bit outdated. The newest generations of drives have the heads flying one tenth the distance quoted. The current generation flies around 10 nanometers from the disk or 0.4 millionths of an inch. To put that number in perspective, a nanometer is the equivalent of 10 atomic radii, so the current generation heads are flying around only about 50 atoms above the disk.


73 posted on 08/25/2004 11:27:20 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
HDD disks are either Aluminum or Glass substrate. I think the glass works better in high RPMs applications because it distorts less from the centripetal forces.

You are right about the need for balence. Especially in the high speed drives that get stacked in big arrays in servers. Put 20 drives side by side and run them at full speed and you get a lot of vibration.
74 posted on 08/25/2004 11:38:23 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: SpyGuy

Even worse, I've noticed recently on programs like "Engineering the Impossible" that terrorism has become a major obstacle to people investing in daring new technologies. There is no way a Europe-Africa bridge or a space elevator is going to be built if some yahoo can blow them up whenever they like.


75 posted on 08/25/2004 11:46:42 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/terroristscorecard/">Terrorist Scorecard</a>)
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