[theFIRMbss]

>how exactly does one define a NeoCon?

I have never seen
an official def. I use
the understanding

real conservatives
respect individuals,
and acknowledge that

individuals
create society by
their thoughts and actions.

I think neo-cons
are people who have embraced
the liberal love

of the collective
and social engineering
over free action.

It's true neo-cons
set different targets for
their engineering,

and use different
collective social units,
but I see their thoughts

are built from the same
basic concepts as the Left.
Both have contempt for

individuals
thinking or living freely
without some "elites" . . .

[SauronOfMordor]

I think neo-cons are people who have embraced the liberal love of the collective and social engineering over free action. It's true neo-cons set different targets for their engineering, and use different collective social units, but I see their thoughts are built from the same basic concepts as the Left.

Part of the problem is that there are lots of people with different philosophies and agendas that label themselves "neocons".

There are

• actual conservatives who used to be liberals (the real neocons) who have evolved to respect individual freedom and property rights
• social liberals who would like the US to go on a mission to re-engineer all the world's cultures (by military means if necessary) to suit their notions of "what should be"
• And then there are Left-wing Democrats who are just upset that the Democrats no longer support Israel, and just want the Republican Party to turn into an Israel-supporting version of the Democrats (but not roll back any part of the Democrat social agenda)