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New Guns for the U.S. Army
StrategyPage.com ^ | August 24, 2004 | Doug Mohney

Posted on 08/25/2004 4:12:13 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

The U.S. Army is going to buy a bunch of new M119A1 towed 105mm howitzers. The army’s reorganization into light brigade combat teams has created a need for more cannons to spread around, another 111 for active duty units and 164 for reserve units. Previously, the army had planned to remanufacture its existing stock of older M102 towed howitzers, originally fielded in the ‘60s and ‘70s. But the new M119 will be close to the same price as the refurbished M102s, and will have much greater capability. Fielding the newer cannon will allow the army to consolidate howitzer types; currently, the army has seven types of 105 and 155mm cannons, including the M119A1.

The M102 was first fielded in 1964, requires a crew of 8, and has a range of 11,500 meters using standard ammunition, 15,100 meters with rocket-assisted ammunition. It fires all standard NATO 105mm ammunition but not newer extended range ammo. Built by a partnership between the United Kingdom and the United States, the M119A1 was first fielded by the U.S. Army in 1989, has a crew of 7, a range of 14,000 meters with standard ammunition and 19,500 meters with rocket-assisted rounds. It fires all standard NATO ammunition plus the M760 and M913 extended range rounds. The U.S. Army first became interested in the M119A1 based upon the effective use of the cannon in the Falkland Islands.

Ultimately, the Army is thinking about going down to three cannons: the M119A1 105mm towed howitzer, the M777 155mm towed howitzer, and the Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon (NLOS-C), a tracked self-propelled 155mm howitzer. The M777 is in low-rate production while the army would like to field the NLOS-C in 2008 to replace the M109A6 Paladin 155mm self-propelled howitzer. – Doug Mohney


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: artillery; fampl; kingofbattle; miltech
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Howitzer, Lightweight, Towed, 105mm M102

Howitzer, Lightweight, Towed, 105mm, M119A1

M777 155MM ULTRALIGHTWEIGHT FIELD HOWITZER

Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon (NLOS-C) and M109A6 Paladin SP 155mm

1 posted on 08/25/2004 4:12:14 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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2 posted on 08/25/2004 4:14:00 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: SLB; centurion316; 1stFreedom; Redleg Duke; SAMWolf; archy; I got the rope; 300winmag; ...

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3 posted on 08/25/2004 4:15:10 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I like that NLOS-C. If you wait until after the AWB sunset, you can get one with a bayonet lug.


4 posted on 08/25/2004 4:18:02 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

It's amazing in this day and age to see artillery, but considering how much missiles cost to produce and maintain, with some careful thought it makes good sense. Artillery is accurate, cheap, air mobile, and flexible.


5 posted on 08/25/2004 4:18:53 AM PDT by risk ("Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Great way to deliver a message of love 13 miles away!


6 posted on 08/25/2004 4:32:02 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

ARTILLERY: Rules of Engagement Protect Iraqi Mortars

7 posted on 08/25/2004 4:37:39 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Don't be so open minded that Your Brains Fall Out--Respect shouldn't be given, It Must Be Earned)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

My old unit was a light towed artillery unit using teh M119A1.
When I left, they were in the middle of the charlie foxtrot of the on paper at least switch to SP howitzers.
Some braniac higher up decided that light towed was dead.
Haven't heard much more about that, it seems currently that the switch is either in hiatus, halted, or canceled.
At either rate, the M119A1's are still at the armory.
(They had these neat lift handles added and a shield plate added for the hand brakes and fluid reservoir, and had been called 'A2' revision for some reason. ??? I dunno, didn't make sense to me to call that an A2 worthy revision change.)


8 posted on 08/25/2004 4:38:18 AM PDT by Darksheare (Who are all these mimes, why are they in the woods, and did you know they taste like chicken?)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I'm sure Kerry will cancel it.


9 posted on 08/25/2004 4:46:29 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I just read an article in the latest FA Magazine about the NLOS-C. They are going for a slightly shorter barrel (38 caliber vs 39 caliber) to save weight (1397 lbs) and make the beast C-130 deployable with 25% of its basic ammo load. It sorta looks like a miniature M-110.

I remember at the last Joint Fires Conference, Lock-Mart was pushing a 105mm solution with an enhanced HE round, claiming it was just as effective as the 155mm conventional round. The determination was that the 155mm round is 58% more effective against personnel and 82% more effective against materiel targets than the 105mm.

I'm wondering what happened to the 120mm mortar integration into the FA.

10 posted on 08/25/2004 4:48:53 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Redleg Duke

What?!
They said that a 105 could be just as effective as a 155?!


I gotta get whatever it was they were on.
It may help my short story fiction side hobby..


11 posted on 08/25/2004 5:36:10 AM PDT by Darksheare (Who are all these mimes, why are they in the woods, and did you know they taste like chicken?)
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To: Brilliant

Kerry won't cancel it. He will never get that opportunity.


12 posted on 08/25/2004 6:01:11 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

King of Battle Bump.


13 posted on 08/25/2004 6:12:34 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Where there's smoke, you'll find my wife cooking dinner.)
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To: sistergoldenhair

Check out the poster in #2.


15 posted on 08/25/2004 6:24:57 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Redleg Duke

Does not look like it is going to happen, keep them with the IN and AR anyway.


16 posted on 08/25/2004 7:18:57 AM PDT by RedlegCPT (Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl)
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To: facedown

Yup go that and a few other older Arty Posters at the house.


17 posted on 08/25/2004 7:21:21 AM PDT by RedlegCPT (Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl)
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To: Darksheare
You know how the 40mm HE grenade had the etched spring inside of it? They did the same thing in the 105 and tried to convince everyone that it made it more effective than the 155.

Business Development at its finest!

18 posted on 08/25/2004 7:25:27 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Redleg Duke

Yikes.
Marketing gimmick at best..
*snort*


19 posted on 08/25/2004 7:32:03 AM PDT by Darksheare (Who are all these mimes, why are they in the woods, and did you know they taste like chicken?)
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To: Yehuda

Looks like a potato gun.


20 posted on 08/25/2004 8:38:18 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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