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Obama not exactly black? Just what does that mean?
Houston Chronicle ^ | August 24, 2004 | CLARENCE PAGE

Posted on 08/24/2004 4:38:09 PM PDT by Willie Green

Clarence Page questions reasoning of observers who say the Illinois Senate candidate is less black because of intercontinental roots.

CHICAGO — Some people, particularly those who are tone deaf to the ironies of life, have a problem with Barack Obama's race. They have a hard time deciding what it is.

Ever since the front-running candidate for the U.S. Senate from Illinois burst onto the national stage with a riveting keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, I've been hearing from readers who question why the media, including me, insist on referring to Obama as "black" or "African-American" when he is "really" biracial.

Are we trying to render his white Kansas mother irrelevant? No, I say, we're just recognizing that the realities of race have more to do with psychology, sociology and politics than actual science.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: clarencepage; obama; obasms
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To: honeywagon

Yeah, well, he already has his black power base, so it's "safe."


41 posted on 08/24/2004 10:12:41 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: honeywagon
Do not be so secure as to how accepting black people are of differences.

I am not saying that blacks do not have issues about color between themselves. I'm saying that, based on the black people (almost all Dems of course) that I talk to you, are related to, etc. all of them gush over Obama.

Obama's "blackness" or supposed lack thereof is a nonissue among blacks, as the polls seem to reflect.

42 posted on 08/24/2004 10:13:50 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: LWalk18

He is very Bill Clinton-esque in his dealings with the people, especially the black people. Aside from his blackness, not much of anything else seems to matter to voters either considering his position on abortion.


43 posted on 08/24/2004 10:17:35 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: mrustow

It is true what you say. Again, it is because of political advantage and also because embracing such a wordly identity is seen as 'betrayal'. It could also be good old fashion hatred of white male christians.


44 posted on 08/24/2004 10:21:25 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: mrustow

I believe your son has a right to identify himself in any way he wishes to. Keep in mind that your son (I assume, correct me if I am wrong) was born in a different time than Obama. In 1961, most whites and blacks disapproved of interracial unions, today most are accepting of them and their offspring.


45 posted on 08/24/2004 10:27:36 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: honeywagon
He is very Bill Clinton-esque in his dealings with the people, especially the black people. Aside from his blackness, not much of anything else seems to matter to voters either considering his position on abortion.

Very true, unfortunately most blacks are hard core Democrats so it doesn't matter what his positions are.

46 posted on 08/24/2004 10:29:38 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: LWalk18
I believe your son has a right to identify himself in any way he wishes to. Keep in mind that your son (I assume, correct me if I am wrong) was born in a different time than Obama. In 1961, most whites and blacks disapproved of interracial unions, today most are accepting of them and their offspring.

You're half right. My son was born in 2000. But no, when the time comes, he will not have the right "to identify himself in any way he wishes to." If I ever hear him identify me out of who he is, I'll kick his butt, even if I'm 80 by that time. People don't have the right to identify themselves dishonestly.

47 posted on 08/24/2004 10:39:54 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: LWalk18

You are also right. Looking at the scope of social history, I wonder why people are not more amazed at how wonderful and fast America has changed.


48 posted on 08/24/2004 10:44:49 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: mrustow

If you raise your son right, he will not do that. A father is to guide a son in the way he should go. Every parent instills their values into their children.


49 posted on 08/24/2004 10:46:24 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: LWalk18

Hardcore democrats... well that is most unfortunate. If people are going to believe that government will save them, electing conservative people to government would be wise. That way the elected official will write policies to save them from that crippling mentality. It is my opinion that people should not look at who is in the republican party, which is what I suspect many black people do. Look at what policies,etc. the republican party has traditionally endorsed as opposed to democrats. That would require an investment in time though.


50 posted on 08/24/2004 10:50:50 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: John Will

"1 drop rule"

Even though I am a blue-eyed blond, I guess that makes me an African-American, Arab-American, Native-American. Do I check them all off or go with what ever suits on any given day?


51 posted on 08/24/2004 10:57:34 PM PDT by calenel (Peace Through Strength, and when necessary, Peace Through Victory!)
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To: Clemenza

Case in point: Tiger Woods. 1/2 Thai, 1/4 black 1/4 ?-


52 posted on 08/24/2004 11:00:12 PM PDT by Libertina (Abandoning Vietnam: 3.5 million died, (2.5 in Cambodia killing fields), 1.4 mil refugees)
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To: bert
His black mother saw to it that half of his genes were white.

Pardon me, but what the hell do you mean by that? (and don't tell me: his ma married a white dude and they had a kid, I understand that much)

53 posted on 08/24/2004 11:02:04 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Clemenza

http://www.racialprivacy.org/


54 posted on 08/24/2004 11:06:47 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: Clemenza; honeywagon; humblegunner; mrustow; Libertina
HIS NAME WAS LEDOUCHE! He was French.

Okay, I admit, if you're not a huge "King of Queens" fan, there's no way that you'll get that joke.

WELL TOO BAD!

I happen to think it's one of the best situation comedies on network television.

Leah Remini:

You bet your ass it is, buddy!

55 posted on 08/24/2004 11:08:31 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (This tag-line paid for by "Friends of Paul Rodriguez.")
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

I happen to appreciate the fine comedy King of Queens every now and again. Perhaps he should be elected senator in place of Obama.


56 posted on 08/24/2004 11:11:07 PM PDT by honeywagon
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To: honeywagon
Yeah, but then IPS would have to find a whole new delivery man.

And you know how hard that is for a fictitious rival to FED-EX.

Hey, I was in Queens for over eight hours this past Saturday.

YAY!

That's a personal best for me.

57 posted on 08/24/2004 11:19:57 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (This tag-line paid for by "Friends of Paul Rodriguez.")
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Well I got the first line ;)


58 posted on 08/24/2004 11:49:42 PM PDT by Libertina (Abandoning Vietnam: 3.5 million died, (2.5 in Cambodia killing fields), 1.4 mil refugees)
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To: Libertina
True enough.
59 posted on 08/24/2004 11:53:12 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (This tag-line paid for by "Friends of Paul Rodriguez.")
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