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The Fight in Illinois: Alan Keyes vs. Barack Obama
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | August 24, 2004 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 08/24/2004 4:15:41 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Onelifetogive

So, Alan thinks that he will be advancing the pro-life platform with a resounding loss?


281 posted on 08/25/2004 8:51:18 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: doug9732
Keyes is heading for one of the worst major-party electoral defeats in US history.

When the candidates are an unfailing defender of life and a committed supporter of abortion, I would vote for someone even if I WAS HIS ONLY VOTE!

282 posted on 08/25/2004 8:52:22 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Jim Robinson
Keyes wins, I'm out of the forum.
Keyes loses you're out of the forum.
Do we have a bet?

That's a very tempting proposition, Luis.
Have you extended the same offer to our host?

Vanity: Alan Keyes for Senate
Aug 23, 2004 | Jim Robinson

283 posted on 08/25/2004 9:03:48 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So, Alan thinks that he will be advancing the pro-life platform with a resounding loss?

Jack Ryan would have been a better candidate that Alan. Thanks to the media, we don;t have that choice.

With a very short campaign window, someone with instant name recognition was needed. Ditka would have been great. He said no. Alan has that name recognition.

To answer your question: Alan (even if he loses big) will advance the pro-life platform better than if NO ONE EVEN TRIED TO PRESENT IT.

The MEDIA blasted Ryan out of the race. If Ryan was your man, the media suceeds when you fail to support Keyes. To punish the media for knocking Ryan out of the race, Keyes must do better that Ryan would have done. Republicans are griping at each other over the situation (Keyes in the race.) The media caused the situation and is laughing their heads off and being so much smarter than the GOP.

The ultimate goal for the GOP should be that after the election, there is a big pow-wow of the Dims and media where they ask, "Who is the idiot that knocked Ryan out of the race, WE COULD HAVE BEAT HIM???"

284 posted on 08/25/2004 9:03:53 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: yooper

Keyes is going to kill this guy in the debates. It'll be closer than everyone thinks.


285 posted on 08/25/2004 9:10:52 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
address the issues that cause me concern."

What, precisely, are those issues? Also, do you believe that posters on FR should be allowed to campaign against George Bush (and indirecly, for Kerry) if they disagree with Bush as strongly as you seem to disagree with Keyes? Or is it only Keyes that freepers are to be allowed to actively oppose on this site -- even though he's the official Republican candidate for Senate in Illinois?

286 posted on 08/25/2004 9:26:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
She implied no such thing.""

Sorry, but you're wrong. Read her subsequent posts to me -- explaining why she thinks Keyes' conservatism is a demerit, undermining his electability.

287 posted on 08/25/2004 9:29:45 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: RinaseaofDs

You're right.

These kind of races are ultimately determined by who the electorate perceives as 'Senatorial'.

Keyes is going to make Obama look like the small-timer he really is.


288 posted on 08/25/2004 9:39:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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To: churchillbuff
Also, do you believe that posters on FR should be allowed to campaign against George Bush (and indirecly, for Kerry) if they disagree with Bush as strongly as you seem to disagree with Keyes?

You're already doing that.

289 posted on 08/25/2004 9:56:38 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I know, I should have been more critical of Keyes running for Senate in Illinois during the primaries...

LOL. Point semi-taken. What with the surprise nature of it all, yes, I can understand. But... the notion holds true regardless. I believe that after the presidential primaries, Keyes was supportive of Bush. I have no facts to back me up, but I'm pretty sure I would have seen the facts to discount my premise by now.

290 posted on 08/25/2004 10:16:06 AM PDT by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig, IL resident, Keyes supporter. FREE SABERTOOTH!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Dear Willie: I have, with city rabies control. But that doesn't count -- or does it? Maybe like motor voting.


291 posted on 08/25/2004 10:16:08 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: Don Joe

the 'friendlies' have all been told to stfu... but not in so many words.

that includes me.


292 posted on 08/25/2004 11:26:08 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: EternalVigilance

"Don't you ever know when to shut up?"



you are not the room monitor... so go call jim... or have alan call him... pathetic.


293 posted on 08/25/2004 11:32:56 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

Yes, me too, which is why I said what I said about "self"-censoring myself.

There are so many jokes I could crack (mostly warmed-over from the ex-sov-union) but why even bother at this point?


294 posted on 08/25/2004 12:26:25 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Toothy got banned again?

Well yes, of course. He criticized Keys, how was it that they put it? Oh, right -- he criticized him "AFTER he was selected."

You see, those who had any objections should have spoken up before he was selected, like, for example, during the primaries, I guess.

Um, on second thought...

295 posted on 08/25/2004 12:34:20 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My only concern with Keyes's supporters, is the fact that like John Kerry, they have gone "to the Feds" (in this case JimRob) to shut down dissenting opinions.

But... but... but... how can it be "wrong", if it works?

See?

There's no dissent after all!

We all love the man.

So you were once again WRONG for predicting that this candidacy would cause divisiveness. There's no dissent at all!

296 posted on 08/25/2004 12:37:05 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Willie Green; Luis Gonzalez

Let's hear it for Cabaret!

Can we all join in a hearty chorus of "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"?

I do believe you just trumped Luis, Willie!

Let's hear it for POWER!

Hooray! Etc.


297 posted on 08/25/2004 12:42:23 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Onelifetogive; Luis Gonzalez
Jack Ryan would have been a better candidate that Alan. Thanks to the media, we don;t have that choice.

You mean, "Thanks to Jack Ryan, we don't have that choice," right?

It was JR who did whatever it was he did that gave the media whatever it was that they had. And it was JR who withdrew from the race.

Voluntarily.

For whatever reason, JR chose to do something that gave "the media" something they could use for talk-fodder, and by the same token JR chose to call it quits.

"The media" didn't play any part in it, other than the "TUVM, Jack" part.

298 posted on 08/25/2004 12:48:45 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Keyes is going to kill this guy in the debates.

Fantastic!

Now, how do we get them to suspend the elections, so that "the debates" will suffice "for purposes of election"?

299 posted on 08/25/2004 12:50:36 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: churchillbuff; Luis Gonzalez
What, precisely, are those issues? Also, do you believe that posters on FR should be allowed to campaign against George Bush (and indirecly, for Kerry) if they disagree with Bush as strongly as you seem to disagree with Keyes? Or is it only Keyes that freepers are to be allowed to actively oppose on this site -- even though he's the official Republican candidate for Senate in Illinois?

Do you believe that the GOP will benefit if FR is shut down for CFR violations?

300 posted on 08/25/2004 12:51:57 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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