'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for August 23 - Douglas Brinkley, Dick Cavett

msnbc.com ^ | 23 August 2004 | Chris Matthews

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Or was all of this about the atrocities fabricated to push a political agenda?

We report, you decide. Read all about it at www.wintersoldier.com

[sox_the_cat]

I swore I would never watch again.....but I watched some last night. I wanted to see Buchanan confront Brinkley over the Cambodia in Christmas lie, but I missed it if it happened. All I saw was Chrissy declaring poetic license to Kerry's lie. I did see Brinkley sort of come unglued when trying to explain why Gardner was the only vet from Kerry's boat not supporting him. He said Gardner was bitter after getting chewed out over an incident where Kerry ordered him to stop fire and he didn't. Also said he was a conservative from the Carolinas.

[NavySEAL F-16]

I saw Pat on Scarborough Friday night. He's been on fire!

[Badeye]

All I know is Doug Brinkley wasn't smart enough to verify who was President in 1968 before he wrote his work of fiction about John F Kerry.

Based on that alone, I change the channel whenever he's on the television. Why bother?

The guy is dumber than I am.

[hgro]

A number of Kerry's combat "brothers" turned out to be phonies and no doubt he wouldn't try to find them to repeat their lies.

[hgro]

Brinkley, (not related to David thank God) whose portrayal of Peanut Jimmie Carter in glorified terms is capable of any kind of distortion if it sells his books.

[stylin19a]

how about these:

Kerry relied upon phonies and wannabes for support. His prominence has allowed current phonies and wannabes to continue the unsubstantiated allegations made all those years ago and which Kerry appears to condone even today. For example:

Elton Mazione, claiming Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) credentials, Kerry's original organization, along with his friends, John Laboon, Eddie Swetz, and Kenneth Van Lesser. They claimed to kill children and remove body parts as part of the notorious Phoenix program. They were neither in Phoenix nor in Vietnam.

Kerry's VVAW leader friend from 1971, Al Hubbard, lied about being an officer, Vietnam Veteran, and sustaining war injuries. Michael Harbert, another VVAW crony of Kerry, lied about his Vietnam service.

Frank Dux: He charged many recognizable Vietnam vets with using techniques bordering on war crimes. Dux was a fraud and non Vietnam Veteran.

Yoshia K. Chee claimed we in Vietnam routinely resorted to the most hideous forms of torture, threw people out of helicopters, and decapitated prisoners. He was a phony.

Mike Beamon, an alleged SEAL and Phoenix assassin, was never in the military.

The Senator's own VVAW and similar groups relied upon people like: K. Barton Osborn, a Vietnam veteran and testifier of atrocities to Congress. He told of prisoners being thrown out of helicopters, a woman starved to death, a prisoner being killed by a six inch dowel pushed through his ear. Osborn was not in Phoenix, refused to name names, and provided no documentation.

Lieutenants Francis Reitemeyer and Michael J. Cohn. Both sought conscientious objector status because of Phoenix. Reitemeyer testified to being assigned to Phoenix as an adviser and maintained a kill quota of fifty bodies a month. They became famous as My Lai hit the news. Neither served in Vietnam, in Phoenix, or had any first hand information. Reitemeyer later denied receiving any assassination training.

[miss marmelstein]

Cavett was interesting; he only spoke of his memories of the show and wondered why Mr. O'Neill didn't razz Kerry over his ridiculous British accent. Of course, Cavett is getting old and talked slowly, so you got the easily-bored Matthews saying, off-camera, "Right...right...right..." and "Yeah...yeah...yeah."

[Tuco Ramirez]

Matthews also questioned whether the enemy was communist or not on the 8/23 show (when going over the rhetorical questions of whether the war was right or wrong, etc.).

He's a POS

[mware]

Matthews owns Michele an apology.

[AllTheRage]

[jmbravo]

Check out Song Remains Same story at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1203670/posts
and for info check http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html You might find them interesting.

[NavySEAL F-16]

The man has no decency left.