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Stolen Munch paintings not insured against theft
Yahoo News ^ | August 23 2004 | AFP

Posted on 08/23/2004 10:25:45 AM PDT by knighthawk

OSLO (AFP) - Two masterpieces by the Norwegian artist Edvard Munch stolen from an Oslo museum at the weekend were not insured against theft, officials said.

"The Scream", one of the most famous images ever painted, and "Madonna" were grabbed Sunday morning by armed and hooded thieves who burst into the Munch Museum in the Norwegian capital, threatening a member of staff with a gun.

"The pictures were insured in case of fire or damage from water but not for theft or burglary," said John Oeyaas of Oslo Forsikring, which is responsible for insuring the assets of the city of Oslo.

"They are irreplaceable works and it makes no sense to insure them against theft," he told AFP.

Some experts had speculated on Sunday that as the works should be impossible to sell owing to their fame it was possible the thieves had stolen them with the aim of blackmailing insurance companies.

The collection of the Munch Museum, which comprises 1,100 paintings, 3,000 drawings and 18,000 etchings is insured for 60.45 million euros (74.3 million dollars) but experts believe that "The Scream" alone is worth that amount.

Munch (1863-1944) painted four versions of the work, of which the Munch Museum held two -- the one stolen on Sunday and another in reserve. A private collector owns a third.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: art; munch; norway; paintings; scream; theft
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1 posted on 08/23/2004 10:25:46 AM PDT by knighthawk
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2 posted on 08/23/2004 10:26:02 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk
"They are irreplaceable works and it makes no sense to insure them against theft,"

As a commodity they should be insured, but as art--can art be stolen?

3 posted on 08/23/2004 10:29:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: knighthawk

If the paintings were not insured for theft..how can the theives "blackmail" the insurance companies as speculated in the article? Doesnt make sense...

If they were stolen to sell to private collector..whats the point? They would have to remain hidden and where is the joy in owning art you have to hide away?


4 posted on 08/23/2004 10:30:01 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: knighthawk

You don't insure property you can't or wouldn't replace. Some insurance sales men may disagree.


5 posted on 08/23/2004 10:30:08 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: RightWhale

I would imagine that the real reason they were not insured is that the premiums would be prohibitive.
They could be selling those paintings to a private collector who will never be showing them and will turn up several years later. Who knows.


6 posted on 08/23/2004 10:32:03 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: FeliciaCat

There are probably a number of private collectors who have works of art gotten under dubious circumstances and they will never show these things it's a matter of they own it for their own selfish purposes.


7 posted on 08/23/2004 10:34:24 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

While the paintings are unique in the artistic sense, they could be replaced by others of similar size and color and market value.


8 posted on 08/23/2004 10:35:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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9 posted on 08/23/2004 10:42:30 AM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Beelzebubba

Then why insure them against fire?


10 posted on 08/23/2004 11:01:40 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: knighthawk

I'd imagine these were 'stolen to order'.

I wonder how much the thieves will be paid for the hoist?

Personally, I wouldn't give ye ten dollars for The Scream. I always thought it was a kinda creepy painting.


11 posted on 08/23/2004 11:04:58 AM PDT by Happygal (Liberals - fully au fait with their 'rights', utterly ignorant of their responsibilities)
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To: knighthawk
"They are irreplaceable works and it makes no sense to insure them against theft..."

Evidently, it made no sense to guard them either.

12 posted on 08/23/2004 11:32:51 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: knighthawk
It's all moot now that the painting has been found!
13 posted on 08/23/2004 11:35:05 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: knighthawk
It's all moot now that the painting has been found!
14 posted on 08/23/2004 11:35:05 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: FeliciaCat
"...where is the joy in owning art you have to hide away?"

There are egomaniac collectors who don't want anybody but themselves to possess and enjoy world-class works of art. They consider other eyes alighting on one of their canvasses as an act of rape.

The most famous art theif of the 19th century was like this. He stole "The Duchess of Devonshire," a priceless Gainsborough that JP Morgan had just successfully bid a fantastic sum for. So what did he do with it? Did he arrange to sell it back to Morgan? Nope.

He slept with it. For years.

15 posted on 08/23/2004 11:36:23 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: knighthawk
I couldn't believe my ears last night on NPR...

They were interviewing the lady in charge of this museum and they asked her if guards tried to stop these theives. She replied "No, they didn't because the theives were armed." Then she was asked why the museum guards weren't armed and she actually gasped at the suggestion and said, "No museum guards in Norway are ever armed!"

16 posted on 08/23/2004 11:40:11 AM PDT by apillar
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To: knighthawk
74 million dollars for a five-year-old's finger painting...the world has truly gone mad. ;)

Real art here: ARC International

17 posted on 08/23/2004 11:40:37 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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One of the guards was an unarmed woman. Guarding a painting worth $100 million. Right.

We watch all of these stupid movies with girls spin kicking the snot out of the bad guys and actually believe that a woman could put on a police or guard uniform and do the job of a man.

That error in judgement - although very politically correct - just cost the Munch Museum $100 million.
18 posted on 08/23/2004 11:49:51 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: SoDak
Then why insure them against fire?


Indeed.

Why bother? Unless the piece is simply a fungible business asset such as a famous art commodity that will be replaced by another, in order to attract a continued profitable flow of museum admission fees.

It may be that fire insurance is obtained because there is no perverse incentive to let the piece burn up, while theft is a greater risk because of the motivation to defeat security measures in an "inside job", and this makes theft insurance too expensive relative to fire insurance.
19 posted on 08/23/2004 12:09:57 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: lonevoice

It is my opinion that the painting is "good" because it is famous, and not that it is famous because it is good.


20 posted on 08/23/2004 12:11:30 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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