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Mistaken Identity (NZ oldline leftist fisks today's self-loathing libs' support of i
The Independent (New Zealand) ^ | 18 August 2004 | Chris Trotter

Posted on 08/23/2004 4:33:34 AM PDT by NZerFromHK

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This author is a centrist by NZ standards (which translates to middle ground liberal in the US) but you can see where his worries go: namely, NZ's left are unleashing indigenous people nationalism and still thinking they are good because of their guilt-ridden wimpy nature. In this way they have betrayed their predecessor's stands on equality of all races before law.

It applies equally well to Native American (Indians) in the US (and to some extent blacks and affirmative actions), Inuit and First Nations issues in Canada, and the Aborigines in Australia.

1 posted on 08/23/2004 4:33:36 AM PDT by NZerFromHK
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Extremely interesting and informative article, especially for those of us who need to be reminded that the struggle against the leftist culture destroyers is a worldwide struggle-thanks for posting it.


2 posted on 08/23/2004 4:45:52 AM PDT by Larry381 (The Democratic Party-Celebrating 60 years of aid and comfort to America's enemies)
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Any democracy in which parties arise based on racial identification rather than political identification is one which is beginning its death throes. Either the Maori are part of the nation of New Zealand or they aren't. Racial separatism is not a process which can reach a moderate "okay, this is good enough, we'll stop here" conclusion.


3 posted on 08/23/2004 6:22:04 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni
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Chillingly, I know some very radical Maori (though not even a majority among the sovereignists) declare that the nation of New Zealand was built on European (British) conquest of the land, and they have NO intention of honouring that nation. We have already reached there, and some of them are dreaming of sending all non-Maori people packing.


4 posted on 08/23/2004 6:37:20 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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Chillingly, I know some very radical Maori (though not even a majority among the sovereignists) declare that the nation of New Zealand was built on European (British) conquest of the land, and they have NO intention of honouring that nation. We have already reached there, and some of them are dreaming of sending all non-Maori people packing.

New Zimbabwe can't be far behind.

5 posted on 08/23/2004 6:40:31 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni
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"Any democracy in which parties arise based on racial identification rather than political identification is one which is beginning its death throes."

Speaking of the USA ? Take out the proper names in that article and you have exactly an exact copy of the dnc and the "Progressive Socialist Democrat" party (aka DNC)


6 posted on 08/23/2004 6:43:14 AM PDT by steplock
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Except that if they try this, the people to be sent packing would be 90% of NZ's current population.


7 posted on 08/23/2004 6:43:21 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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Except that if they try this, the people to be sent packing would be 90% of NZ's current population.


8 posted on 08/23/2004 6:45:46 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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Maoris were treated a lot A WHOLE LOT better than a lot of other colonized peoples. Perhaps instead of throwing pies at Donald Brash, they should pay attention to his wonderful speech. He IS going to win whether they like it or not.


9 posted on 08/23/2004 6:56:22 AM PDT by honeywagon
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As it grows in strength and consolidates its already powerful grip on the Maori imagination, the Maori Party has the potential to split Labour into two hostile camps, aggravate racial sensitivities within the trade union movement, and push the Greens below the all-important 5% MMP threshold.

That just breaks my heart.

Not!

10 posted on 08/23/2004 12:00:11 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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This author is a centrist by NZ standards

,,, no he's not - but the article is. Trotter's one of the left's most capable journalists but over the last few months to even the last year, he's worked out that The Independent is paying more in a month than Socialist Action could pay in five years for what he has to say.

11 posted on 08/23/2004 2:17:53 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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It applies equally well to Native American (Indians) in the US (and to some extent blacks and affirmative actions), Inuit and First Nations issues in Canada, and the Aborigines in Australia.

Add the Hawaiians.

There is a serious secession movement in Hawaii aimed at indegenization and possible independence.

12 posted on 08/23/2004 2:33:18 PM PDT by happygrl
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http://www.national.org.nz/

13 posted on 08/23/2004 7:05:16 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (This tag-line paid for by "Friends of Paul Rodriguez.")
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http://www.national.org.nz/


14 posted on 08/23/2004 7:56:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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I love the fact that these Marxist twits glom on to any movement that espouses a radical, racially-tinged political ideology.

Forget the fact that Hawaii was ruled by a Queen, i.e. the embodiment of a repressive, antiquated, monarchical system of governance; Lili'oukalani had dark skin, therefore she is to be celebrated by ignorant socialists, who have no consistent ideology, other than opposing the status quo.

What strikes me as being even more ridiculous though, is this dispute over the Elgin Marbles. It confounds me that a former imperial nation, led by men who were essentially white-if a bit darker than their Northern European counterparts-can somehow fashion a self-serving argument on their behalf that relies upon contemporary, deconstructionist, anti-colonial claptrap, to acquire relics that haven't been in their nation's possession for years.

In my opinion, all of these people are boobs, whose opinions should be treated with the contempt that they have so rightfully earned.

15 posted on 08/23/2004 8:01:11 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (This tag-line paid for by "Friends of Paul Rodriguez.")
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Thanks!
16 posted on 08/23/2004 8:02:03 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (This tag-line paid for by "Friends of Paul Rodriguez.")
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There is a serious secession movement in Hawaii aimed at indegenization and possible independence.

,,, it's all on throughout the Pacific in that regard - New Caledonia and anywhere else you care to name to various degrees.

17 posted on 08/23/2004 8:02:07 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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ACT New Zealand
18 posted on 08/23/2004 8:04:34 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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Thanks, and I myself would certainly classify Mr Trotter as on the Left. Give credit where it is due: he is able to see through the absurdity of today's identity-driven Leftist sentiments. They don't hesistate to support Third World nationalist movements which would earn scorns of "racism!" had they been led by developed world whites.

Give this to Keith Locke, Mark Gosche, Tariana Turia at home, Bob Brown in Australia, and Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Barbara Lee, Michael Moore in the United States, the entire Liberal Party, New Democratic Party, Green Party, and Quebecois Bloc in Canada, and everyone at the UK Guardian, Independent, Ken Livingstone, and the entire editorial board at Le Monde.


19 posted on 08/23/2004 9:25:18 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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,,, the way things stand at present, the GREENS have much more credibility than LABOUR. At least they've stuck to the platforms they went to elections on last time.


20 posted on 08/23/2004 9:40:02 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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