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Swift Boat Accounts Flawed
The Washington Post ^ | 08/22/2004 | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 08/21/2004 5:33:07 PM PDT by franklog

When John F. Kerry rescued James Rassmann from the Bay Hap River in the jungles of Vietnam in March 1969, neither man could possibly have imagined that the episode would become a much-disputed focus of an American presidential campaign 35 years later.

For Kerry, then a green and gangly Navy lieutenant junior grade and now the Democratic challenger to a wartime Republican president, that tale of heroism under fire has become integral to his campaign. A centerpiece of public rallies, videos and a new campaign advertisement last week, it has helped distinguish the candidate from his Democratic primary rivals and from President Bush, who spent the war at home as a member of the Texas Air National Guard.

For the Massachusetts senator's critics, who include three of the five Swift boat skippers who were present that day, the incident demonstrates why Kerry does not deserve to be commander in chief. They accuse him of cowardice, hogging the limelight and lying. Far from displaying coolness under fire, they say, Kerry was never fired upon and fled the scene at the moment of maximum danger.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: bronzestar; kerry; michaeldobbs; militaryrecord; rassmann; swiftboatveterans
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To: demlosers

I dont know what happened but from the chart in Post 5 it looks like the other boats stopped to help the boat that hit the mine while Kerry hit the throttle to head down the river, tossing Rasman off the boat. Then he returned for Rasman and left the other boats on their own.

I can only surmise that the Wash. Post drew the chart , but it sure looks like Kerry ran to me.


21 posted on 08/21/2004 6:10:15 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: franklog

The comPost is really going all out here.

I had thought they'd learned something from what the NYT had just gone through and were going to cut this kind of crap out.

But, obviously, electing Kerry is more important to them then good journalism.


22 posted on 08/21/2004 6:10:42 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (I WILL VOTE FOR GEORGE W. BUSH INSTEAD OF JOHN KERRY because I still believe in the rule of law)
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To: franklog

Crap!

*****At 2.45 p.m., according to Navy records
*****muzzle flashes from the riverbanks. Langhofer,
*****all boats receiving "heavy a/w [automatic weapons] and s/a [small arms] from both banks

1. One cannot "see" muzzle-"flashes" in broad daylight!

2. "intense a/w and s/a fire".......oh yeah? In broad daylight, too? LOLOL.....trust ME.....Chuck would have caused MANY bullet holes in Americans if it actually happened....the count is ZERO!

Puhleeeez!


23 posted on 08/21/2004 6:11:32 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: goodnesswins
If it wasn't for some of his decisions, we would probably be some of the names in that wall," said Gene Thorson, the engineman on PCF-94, referring to the Vietnam War Memorial. "I respect him very much."

Oh come on. You served under Kerry for 6 weeks. Didn't you other COs have something to do with keeping you alive?

24 posted on 08/21/2004 6:15:07 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: R. Scott
That vibrator was running for President in 1968 wearing the rambo gear and having himself photoed.

Meanwhile the lib networks incl CBS (which I listened to a few ago) are coming to his rescue.

25 posted on 08/21/2004 6:15:56 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: shrinkermd; Torie

This article lays the issues that both sides have with one another. I do believe that this is one of the better examinations I have seen.

There is a ton of (well deserved) bitterness on the part of the Vietnam Vets towards Kerry. How much of that is guiding their version of the facts remains debateable. However, it is clear that Kerry tends to play fast and loose with the facts and for that he is a scary choice for the role of POTUS. The questions that have arisen about his character are also deserved given his willingness to stake his claims to the presidency on a military experience he turned around and trashed upon his return home. I wasn't there at the time and place of the events in question but the guys who were deserve their say without the attacks of MSN and the NT Times.

Torie: The Washington Times is the superior paper in DC!!!!


26 posted on 08/21/2004 6:17:38 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: Oztrich Boy

Including the guy who took over from Kerry, John O'Neill. (I wonder what became of him?)


27 posted on 08/21/2004 6:17:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: demlosers
There's ONE little problem, It has been stated on here many times the Black guy WAS NOT on the boat that day.

He had been replaced because he was in the Hospital with head wounds.

There is another picture of the crew wearing their medal's and the Black Guy is not there.
28 posted on 08/21/2004 6:18:19 PM PDT by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: Torie; Coop; Mudboy Slim; Lil'freeper
...the Post is the best paper at this point in the Fruited Plain.

You have GOT to be kidding me...

29 posted on 08/21/2004 6:21:05 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: shrinkermd

One of things I noticed was in the sidebar where is says "Based on available military records". Well, if Kerry would just release the full records this would clear up a lot.


30 posted on 08/21/2004 6:22:35 PM PDT by jbarkley
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To: Corin Stormhands

Nice font effect. I call them as I see them.


31 posted on 08/21/2004 6:23:54 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Torie,
While I disagree with your comments concerning the respectability of the WP, I do agree that this article seems "fair and balanced". I think it is an honest attempt to present all sides, and certainly doesn't make the assumption that Kerry's story is true, and the Swiftvets are lying, as so many other articles I've read today imply.
32 posted on 08/21/2004 6:23:59 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Torie

After having several encouters with WaPo "reporters," I couldn't disagree with you more.


33 posted on 08/21/2004 6:24:15 PM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Torie

If you want to believe the Post, okey-doke.

They do some good stuff in other areas. But their politics, in news AND editorials are way to the left.


34 posted on 08/21/2004 6:26:03 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: misterrob

No it's not. The WT is the better paper. By far.


35 posted on 08/21/2004 6:27:08 PM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: All

Its a start. The MSM closer look has started. This is good, slanted as usual, but they haven't even started on the POW stuff, the illegal visit to Paris, the 'special ops' he claims, etc. Nice runup to the GOP convention, I would say.


36 posted on 08/21/2004 6:28:03 PM PDT by Stashiu ( Yeah, I am a Vietnam Vet, not a War Criminal.)
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To: Baynative

The Seattle Post Intelligencer is not attacking the Swiftboat Veterans, they are presenting the facts and stating that the Swifties are beginning to take a toll on Kerry.


37 posted on 08/21/2004 6:29:20 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Rokke

Kerry is gone. Questions will always remain until he releases ALL his service records. Kerry can spin it however he wants, and this may help in the short term, but eventually the truth will come out.


38 posted on 08/21/2004 6:29:34 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: demlosers

Great graphic. The ambush is out of scale.
How did kerry get shrapnel while in the pilot house?
Rassmann deserves to have fallen in if he was eating a cookie there!
Also it is claimed Rassman fell overboard when the boat made a hard starboard (right) turn. If Kerry turned right he would have run up against the riverbank again. And Rassman should not have fallen off.
Kerry was OITC of the 5 boats yet he was the only one to run down river. Dereliction of duty.
There is no gun position on the front of a PCF.


39 posted on 08/21/2004 6:31:03 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Kerry is Toast du Francai')
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