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American Says He Was on bin Laden's Trail
My Way News ^ | 8/21/04 | PAUL HAVEN/AP

Posted on 08/21/2004 1:59:46 PM PDT by wagglebee

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - An American on trial for allegedly torturing Afghan terror suspects in a private jail claimed Saturday in his first interview from custody that he was hot on the heels of Osama bin Laden and other militant leaders when he was arrested on July 5.

Jonathan Idema told The Associated Press he had official sanction from Afghans and Americans to hunt down terrorists and said he has been prevented from showing the evidence in court. Prosecutors say Idema was waging a private war, and he faces up to 20 years in a crumbling Afghan prison if convicted.

"We would have had (renegade Afghan warlord Gulbuddin) Hekmatyar in 14 days or less. We would have had bin Laden in less than 30 days" had he and his team not been arrested, said Idema, a colorful former U.S. Army soldier who spent three years in jail in the 1980s for allegedly bilking 60 companies out of more than $200,000 in goods.

Following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, Idema came to Afghanistan and was featured in several books about the war and the search for bin Laden. He has also worked with several western TV networks. He said he came to Afghanistan again earlier this year because he felt U.S. anti-terror efforts were failing.

At least four Afghan intelligence officials sat in on the 75-minute interview in a sparsely decorated room on the top floor of a building at the National Security Directorate - Afghanistan's chief intelligence agency.

Though none interceded, Idema made frequent references to not being able to speak freely in their presence. He claimed he was badly beaten repeatedly by his jailers, though he had no visible cuts or bruises.

"Everything I was accused of doing (to the Afghan prisoners) got done to me," said the Poughkeepsie, N.Y.-native, sitting in a T-shirt, black pants and brown combat boots on a couch between two of the officials. He was not handcuffed.

As he has done during his trial in a Kabul court, he wore dark sunglasses throughout the interview and refused a request to be photographed.

Idema accused the FBI of orchestrating his arrest, saying the agency was trying to cover up its own incompetence in hunting for terrorists.

But the U.S. government has described Idema as a vigilante working on his own. An Afghan government spokesman told AP that Idema had met with two top Afghan politicians. But there was no confirmation his mission was approved by either U.S. or Afghan officials.

After initially denying any knowledge of Idema's activities, the U.S. military announced in July that it had received a prisoner from the American and held him for more than a month at Bagram Air Base before deciding that he was not the man Idema said he was. A military spokesman said the military did not realize Idema was working on his own at the time.

Idema also convinced NATO peacekeepers to help his group on three raids in the capital of Kabul. The security force said experts found traces of explosives in two houses raided by Idema and his colleagues.

Idema, Americans Brent Bennett and Edward Caraballo, and four Afghans stand accused of torturing about a dozen prisoners in their private jail. The Afghan prisoners, including a senior judge and six of his family members, have been released. Idema hinted there were other operatives in his counter-terror crew that had not yet been arrested.

The trial is set to resume Monday.

Idema denied the torture charges.

"Nobody was hung upside down. Nobody was burned with cigarette butts ... nobody was beaten, nobody was tortured, nobody had boiling water poured on them," he said. "Did we interrogate people? Absolutely. Did we keep them up with sleep deprivation? Absolutely."

Idema said that earlier this year he sent information to the FBI's Counter-Terrorism Watch command center, including the address of a hide-out then being used by bin Laden. He said he passed the information along while he was living in Fort Bragg, N.C., in January or February.

He said he got his information from three Afghan agents working for him in the field, but he would not say how the agents communicated with him in America.

"I gave (the FBI) bin Laden's exact address right outside Peshawar," a northwestern Pakistani city, he said. "I gave them the grid coordinates, the street and house number and everything. They got there five days after he left. It's like, what are you doing? Do you not want to catch bin Laden?" He said the FBI later confirmed bin Laden had been at the house.

FBI spokesman Bill Carter said Saturday the agency couldn't respond to the allegations.

"He was arrested by Afghan authorities and there is an ongoing trial which precludes us from commenting on any matters concerning Mr. Idema at this time," Carter said.

Most intelligence officials believe bin Laden is holed up in the mountainous tribal region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Peshawar is the nearest major city to that region.

Idema said he also passed along the location and satellite phone number of Ayman al-Zawahri, the alleged al-Qaida No. 2, but the FBI again failed to act. He said the incident occurred earlier this year and that his frustration prompted him to come to Afghanistan himself in April.

Idema repeated claims that he had also uncovered a plot to send 36 al-Qaida agents into the United States, kill Afghan President Hamid Karzai and attack the main U.S. base at Bagram with a high tech explosive that he said is not detectable by bomb-sniffing dogs.

"This is too unbelievable for me to make up," he said.

Idema claimed that higher ups in the FBI were slow in acting on his intelligence, embarrassed that his Afghan sources were giving him better information than they were getting, and angry that he would not reveal their names.

"This (his arrest) was not driven by the Northern Alliance, this was not driven by the Afghans. If the Afghans had their way, this never would have happened. This was driven solely by the American FBI. Solely. Because they didn't want to be embarrassed," Idema said.

Idema reiterated claims he had approval of top Pentagon officials, including officials in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's office.

He also said senior Afghan officials including Defense Minister Mohammed Qasim Fahim and former Education Minister Yunus Qanooni were also aware of his operation.

Idema said he has documents to prove his claims, but has so far been prevented from showing them in court. He also complained that his access to documents seized during his arrest has been limited. The documents were handed over to the U.S. Embassy in July, and returned to Idema only Tuesday. He said many were missing. U.S. Embassy spokesman Roy Glover had no comment.

The chief prosecutor in the case, Mohammed Nahim Dawari, acknowledged Saturday that Idema had met with senior Afghan officials like Qanooni and Fahim, but he said that was not evidence that they knew what he was up to.

"They received him because he was a foreigner," Dawari said.

Qanooni and Fahim were not immediately available for comment, but a brother of Qanooni, Mohammed Hibrahim, told AP he was present at a meeting between Qanooni and Idema. He said Idema identified himself as a U.S. special forces operative.

Qanooni and Fahim were prominent in the Northern Alliance, which helped the United States sweep aside the Taliban in 2001. Idema was in Afghanistan during the war and says he has documents that prove he fought with the Northern Alliance and continues to be an adviser.

Dawari, the prosecutor, said he believed Idema's motives were good, but that his methods were "extreme."

"I believe he was against terror and against al-Qaida," Dawari said. "But the methods he used were not good ... What he did was wrong and he should be punished."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaida; hekmatyar; idema; obl
We are at war with an enemy which has no ethics. If we can find information through "persuasive" means that cause no long term bad effects, I say we do it.
1 posted on 08/21/2004 1:59:46 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

I'll echo your sentiments. We don't have time for sensitivities.


2 posted on 08/21/2004 2:10:20 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: wagglebee
We go through channels. There is no place for a loose cannon. (even Col. North) Period. If he was righteous, he would have been pulled in. He's not.

Military authority defers to civilian political authority in the US. Civilians run the JCS for a reason.

The Constitution must be upheld.

/john

3 posted on 08/21/2004 2:12:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: wagglebee

This Idema guy sounds like the classic fountain-of-BS "Soldier of Fortune" reading wannabe that often shows up in war-torn areas telling outlandish stories to anyone he can find. Possibly even mentally ill.


4 posted on 08/21/2004 2:27:34 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: wagglebee

> American Says He Was on bin Laden's Trail

This new claim is consistent with this guy's pattern.

> ... told The Associated Press he had official sanction ...

I recall that at the time, and having my BS meter twitch.

> ... claimed he was badly beaten repeatedly by his
> jailers, though he had no visible cuts or bruises.

Check.

> ... wore dark sunglasses throughout the interview
> and refused a request to be photographed.

My guess is he's wanted elsewhere.

> ... he would not say how the agents communicated
> with him in America.

Consistent with there being no such comm.

> He said the FBI later confirmed bin Laden had been
> at the house.

Cite please?

> "This is too unbelievable for me to make up,"

The first half of that may be the key.


5 posted on 08/21/2004 2:31:24 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Strategerist

This Idema guy is not playing with a full deck. He ran into trouble with the law here in NYS not long ago and below shows you his credentials. He is basically a seeker of fortune and fame and a bilker.

a colorful former U.S. Army soldier who spent three years in jail in the 1980s for allegedly bilking 60 companies out of more than $200,000 in goods.


6 posted on 08/21/2004 2:32:22 PM PDT by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: wagglebee

When I hear the statements of one rogue agent versus the entire FBI, I seem to believe the rogue agent. Why is that?

(Richard Jewell, the Anthrax professor, Win Ho whats-his-name from Los Alamos, etc.)


7 posted on 08/21/2004 2:35:10 PM PDT by harrycarey
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To: wagglebee

Why hasn't Congress issued a Letter of Marque and Reprisal to this guy to legalize what he is doing?


8 posted on 08/21/2004 4:05:54 PM PDT by snopercod ("If you wait, all that happens is that you get older." -- Mario Andretti)
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To: snopercod
Based on just what I read, I think the guy's a nutcase opportunist; dangerous to US relations..having passed himself off as GI to the local officials; dangerous to US soldiery and spooks; and just spewing nonsense about his special contacts and the FBI's inaction on his "hot tips". I've had to deal with guys like this on a lower, domestic level: impersonating PO's, writing fake citations, doing raids on suspected crack-houses, getting themselves shot or beaten, shaking confidence in actual LE, injuring or violating rights of innocent people. All Bad.

I reserve the right to change my opinion with more information; but my gut tells me he's a nutcase scammer.

9 posted on 08/21/2004 4:18:56 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: snopercod
I remember a fascinating thread years ago here re: marque and how it was used for the Barbary pirates.

Think it's how/why we call intended victims 'marks'.

10 posted on 08/21/2004 4:55:25 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: wagglebee

Here's the picture that accompanied the article on Drudge.

I thought it was Ben Affleck at first. And the funny thing is, I wasnt all that surprised. :P

11 posted on 08/21/2004 5:37:00 PM PDT by vezke
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To: harrycarey
You can add missing evidence, when it supports the defendants case; FBI lab manufactured evidence, when needed; FBI agents hounding, harassing & destroying the lives of citizens, but never making an arrest or bringing charges; FBI torturing children at Waco; FBI working as abortuary guards, which is as evil as being a NAZI crematorium guard.

These guys don't think any rules apply to them.

12 posted on 08/21/2004 7:08:44 PM PDT by Lester Moore (Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of All)
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To: harrycarey
This guy Idema must be freed and allowed to continue his mission.

Why not have guys like him going after Osama?

Where are the results here? They tell us Osama may be dead, until a new tape pops up which they then authenticate.

And then after they authenticate the tape a few on freerepublic here argue that he is dead.

Idema should be freed. Bush should get him released, though I seriously doubt he has the cojones to here, and we as a country should demand that he be released.

13 posted on 08/21/2004 10:04:15 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: harrycarey
Instead of working to get this guy released Bush is worried about whether he will attend the Olympics or not.
14 posted on 08/21/2004 10:06:10 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Strategerist
Sounds like the real deal to me. Glad our country has people like him.
15 posted on 08/21/2004 10:11:29 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: harrycarey
Kerry on the other hand would want to try this guy here and crucify him.

This guy deserves more medals than Kerry.

16 posted on 08/21/2004 10:12:54 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
This guy Idema must be freed and allowed to continue his mission. Why not have guys like him going after Osama? Where are the results here? They tell us Osama may be dead, until a new tape pops up which they then authenticate. And then after they authenticate the tape a few on freerepublic here argue that he is dead.

It is interesting that there isn't more mercenary type outfits in the Afghan/Pak region hunting UBL - (IMO) - Possibly because they have off the record info that is he dead?? -

Then again, I am one that is starting to think he is probably alive - Al Zawahiri and Omar most certainly are....so UBL could very well be also -

17 posted on 08/22/2004 1:39:10 PM PDT by POA2
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To: dasboot
Based on just what I read, I think the guy's a nutcase opportunist; dangerous to US relations..having passed himself off as GI to the local officials; dangerous to US soldiery and spooks; and just spewing nonsense about his special contacts and the FBI's inaction on his "hot tips".

While I'll agree with you that this guy is pretty much a loose-cannon and lets to embellish to the 10th degree....I've read about him last year on several other military type boards....But with that said, I wouldn't say the FBI is that much better - They are a bunch of wanna-be cowboys that can't seem to get a job done right under even the best of circumstances -

18 posted on 08/22/2004 1:41:35 PM PDT by POA2
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To: POA2

The FBI and other intel/security agencies are recruiting differently , now. Look to see things much improved in the next several years. Don't know who's behind it, but things are different!


19 posted on 08/22/2004 5:51:10 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

His claim to fame was altering the text of a book on which he was consulted by the author. Idema added appeals for donations to he and his wife’s nonexistent special forces vet “charities.”


20 posted on 01/22/2017 8:29:19 PM PST by piasa
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