Posted on 08/20/2004 1:58:37 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
Tucker Carlson just said that CNN has been notified that the Kerry camp will seek to have the goverment pull the Swift Boat veterans for Truth ads.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Someone set up Kerry the jump shark.
I had a feeling this fool was going to 86 the standard of laying low during the opponent's convention.
Yet they run a candidate who makes his Vietnam service the cornerstone of his campaign. You are right - the Dems hate the military. This makes no sense - it's the Kerry/DNC/Soros facade.
"I was against the war before I was a war hero before I was a war protester before I was a war hero."
That's outrageous! My husband has the silver star and two bronzes, both with V device, that must have been put up by some ignorant kid.
The bronze star can be awarded for merit or for valor. Putting on the V device means it was won for valor.
He has a purple heart, too, and for years kept the 30. cal machine gun bullet that got him the PH.
Some ignorant leftie boob putting that on the website heard somewhere about a V device and jus tthought they'd throw it in. The boob learned all about'critical thinking' in school.
So, what's the strategic advantage to filing the FEC complaint late on a Friday afternoon? Bueller? Anyone?
GRIDLEY Crew members (67-68) say Kerry exaggerated in TOUR OF DUTY
"...John Kerry and I were shipmates in the guided missile cruiser USS
Gridley (CG-21) in 1967 and 1968. He served as First Lieutenant, the
officer in charge of the deck division, and I was Executive Officer,
or second in command..."
"...But there is also no doubt in my mind that his anti-war
activities while our troops were still fighting, dying and being
tortured in filthy Vietnam prisons were despicable.
For that reason, even aside from his anti-defense voting record in
the Senate, he is one ex-shipmate that I could never support as
commander-in-chief of the armed forces."
J. F. Kelly, Jr.
USS Gridley (CG-21) Executive Officer in 1967 and 1968.
GRIDLEY Website page on John Kerry
http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html
Other crew members speak about John Kerry
(Looks like Kerry's shipmates, who did serve with him,
say he lied and told whoopers about his time on the GRIDLEY.
Remember these are not Swift Boat Vets,
BUT Kerry's crewmates who served with him on the GRIDLEY)
Examples follow:
"As everyone must surely know by now, John F. Kerry came on board
GRIDLEY as a boot Ensign when we returned from our 1967 Westpac
Cruise. He remained on GRIDLEY through the 1968 cruise. Politics
aside, shipmates of the time who have read TOUR OF DUTY, the
authorized campaign biography, will have something to say about the
chapter on GRIDLEY. "
1. Kerry never talked about his time on GRIDLEY. He says on page
74 that it is because “nothing much of note” happened while
he was
onboard. He uses words like monotony and tedious, when, despite
being a boot ensign he was given every opportunity for responsibility
by Captain Slifer and Commander Kelly (XO). He came aboard
designated for Electrical Officer (80100), a grunt position in the
Engineering Department and spent four months in that position. He
was assigned duty as First Lieutenant, as Commander Kelly recalls,
because of his knowledge of seamanship and his experiences with small
boats and sailing. Besides being responsible for the decks of the
ship, the First Lieutenant is also responsible for the ship’s
small
boats. He also was assigned collateral duties as Public Affairs
Officer. Despite all the responsibilities he was given, he gives the
impression that serving on GRIDLEY was somehow beneath him. He
certainly had less of an opportunity to collect “gongs” there.
2. Page 78 – “motivate 400 swabbies” – The First
Lieutenant is
responsible only for the personnel of 1st Division, not the entire
crew. 1st Division had a roster of about 30 in 1968. To the extent
that other divisions had responsibility for deck space, their
officers would have been responsible for motivating them.
3. Page 87 has Kerry “shuttling sailors and provisions”
between
GRIDLEY and KITTY HAWK in a small motor whaleboat out in the Gulf of
Tonkin. The regular method of travel between the two ships was via
helo. That is how I went over to the KITTY HAWK. If such an event
did occur, it would have been unusual and hardly a shuttle.
4. Later on page 87 Kerry talks about Olongapo in the Philippines.
He talks about bloated corpses floating in the river and starving
women with babies dying of malnutrition. Now Olongapo was a wild and
wooly town that existed solely for the entertainment of the US Navy,
but in over three years of calling there, I never saw a single
instance of either thing happening. Kerry uncovered this in his
first visit. If this was from his letters home then he was certainly
writing for dramatic effect. Balderdash.
5. The trip to Danang – GRIDLEY went into Danang for briefings
before going to Northern SAR. This section is so full of hyperbole
that the urge to giggle is almost uncontrollable. “The panic and
pressure onboard GRIDLEY, strapping on a .45, wondering if I would
have to use it, B-52’s howling overhead”. A B-52 over Danang
would
have been so high that only contrails would have been visible, cloud
cover permitting. David Simons confirmed my recollection that during
our brief stay in Danang Harbor, the sky was overcast to the point of
being ominous.
More seriously, no one can remember John Kerry going ashore. I was
part of the shore party that went to Monkey Mountain. We were taken
in a screened in truck (to protect against grenades being tossed in)
and made to unload our .45’s. The driver said that he did not
want
us newbies to shoot anyone by accident.
Neither Commander Kelly nor LCDR Rueckert (Kerry’s immediate
boss)
can recall approving a trip ashore for Ensign Kerry. The author uses
remarks of David Simons IC2 as a lead in to the Danang section. I
spoke to David and he has no personal knowledge of Kerry going ashore
at all. He did talk to a researcher and made some generic remarks
about Danang but had never discussed Danang with Kerry. He recalls
arguing with the researcher because he tried to put the
words “cowboy” in his mouth, which ended up in the book.
There is no mystery about the “gruesome site of a pile of dead
VC.”
We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey
Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the
LZ’s
after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before.
Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore
party.
If, indeed, he got to the pier, because he was in charge of the
motor whaleboat, it certainly would not have been within his purview
to wander Danang, eating dog meat and drinking beer in a bar (under
arms). It also seems amazing that he had all these observations on
Vietnam in such a brief visit.
6. In command – Again with the hyperbole. Kerry makes much
about
being “in charge” of the ship after the Captain and XO. The
OOD is
in charge of the operation of the ship during his four hour watch but
hardly in charge of the ship. Kerry qualified almost immediately as
OOD(P), in port OOD but that is a given. For much of his time
onboard he would have been Junior Officer of the Deck when underway.
Although his fitness report as of 22 March says "he is qualified as
OOD(I) now" (Independent steaming – with no ships or land
anywhere
near) , only OOD(P) is listed under duties. His Fitness Report from
July 1968 lists two months as OOD(I) which would mean he qualified
after leaving the war zone.
If they can silence the Swift Boat vets from now until Nov., that's all they need. Time. So if they can get the ads pulled while the legal system slowly, slowly grinds its way through the courts on this, they've deprived Kerry opponents of First Amendment rights, while at the same time smearing Bush and the republicans all over the media. This cannot be allowed under any circumstances. And where is O'Reilly on this? Hmmm? Does he still think it's a nonissue?
Didn't he recently utter BRING IT ON?
Now he doesn;t like it. LOL!
Send 'em what you can!
THAT is well worth repeating. Excellent talking point.
"Bring it on! Er no, I didn't really mean bring it on..."
Girlieman! Another flip flop. LOL!
RATs are in full panic-mode. Polls show the ad, the book, and appearances on tv and radio are killing Kerry. Kerry's finally getting the reward he richly deserves for lies he's told all these years.
Yeah, but John Kerry is a delusional liar! :)
Amen, brother.
He's a male Hillary without the pink suit. If he gets in, expect the FBI to give up files again on every republican, every person Kerry's ever been mad at.
Kerry has four service stars. He is shown to have boarded the USS Gridley in December of '68, and was off the coast of Vietnam as of February '68. The Gridley came home with Kerry onboard on June 6th, 1968. He was actually in Vietnam on Swiftboat patrol from Dec. '68 to April '69. So how Kerry managed to get four service stars is beyond me. My brother was on the ground in 'Nam from April '66-April '67, and he only got one service star.
If he can suppress the ad for eighty odd days, say until they get a court date they like...meanwhile finagling delay after delay, they've won the game. We can't let this happen.
Found this from a Hitler/Clinton thread on FR back in 98.
"The people, in an overwhelming majority, are so feminine in their nature and attitude that their activities and thoughts are motivated less by sober consideration than by feeling and sentiment."
-- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", page 237.
The great mass of people is not composed of diplomats or even teachers of political law, nor even of purely reasonable individuals who are able to pass judgement, but of human beings who are as undecided as they are inclined towards doubts and uncertainty."
-- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", pages 236-237.
How many times have we had the words Undecided Voter... shoved at us.
This election is like some nationwide Vulcan mind/meld thing.
They are intentionally curbing all the poll numbers to keep this mental experiment going.
And ya.....they go Kristalnacht immediately when something appears to threaten strategy.....like Swiftboats
I hope to God all the numbers are the media....
The realization that half the voting citizenship are complete morons means what for the nations future.
Sorry, I'm back. That was just too good. I hope Rush picks up on your comment!
Kerry: "I say, bring it on! Ow, mummy, that hurt. They're bringing it on! Make 'em stop!"
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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