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To: Hacksaw
Yep, paying respect to the nation you live in is one step away from Nazi Germany

Paying one's respects can and should be voluntary. I have nothing against that.

Of course there's more to totalitarianism than just coerced loyatly oaths. Totalitiarian states disrespect the rights of their inhabitiants in a number of ways. However, coerced (the part you conveniently forgot to address) loyalty oaths are a defining characteristic of every oppressive state I can think of.

31 posted on 08/20/2004 9:14:22 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: freeeee
Paying one's respects can and should be voluntary.

I agree that children should be able to opt out for any reason if they so desire. But I see nothing wrong with the continuation of the tradition of requiring children to stand respectfully before the flag and say the Pledge. It reinforces discipline and order in the classroom and reminds children from whence comes their educational benefits and other benefits of a cooperative society.

33 posted on 08/20/2004 9:22:02 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: freeeee
However, coerced (the part you conveniently forgot to address) loyalty oaths are a defining characteristic of every oppressive state I can think of.

There was an opt out clause. You people get upset about the silliest things.

35 posted on 08/20/2004 9:29:23 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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