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To: ableChair

Yes, they are complimentary. Armor keeps enemy aromor off the infantry and infantry keeps their counterparts off the armor. I know this. What we wind up with is armor that winds up performing infantry support in an urban enviornment which is not a good thing. A tank functions they way it does because it manuevers, not just because it has tremendous firepower. You cannot do this when you are in street fighting or tied to infantry.

Rather than a new platform, I'm thinking more along the lines of going back to an older (and seemingly discredited) way of waging war: total destruction, which was the hallmark of western military practice since ancient Greece. This "hearts and minds" b.s. does not work until the enemy has had the snot beat out of him and is in no position to continue resistance.

Again, we do not need a new platform for this. What we need is a return to an older mindset. We no longer have Pattons and Shermans in command of our armed forces. Instead, we have Dr. Phil or Oprah with four stars. A little less caring for the other guy and a lot more emphasis on WINNING and KILLING might actually be more beneficial than any new wonder weapon.


73 posted on 08/19/2004 11:06:57 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: Wombat101
Rather than a new platform, I'm thinking more along the lines of going back to an older (and seemingly discredited) way of waging war: total destruction, which was the hallmark of western military practice since ancient Greece. This "hearts and minds" b.s. does not work until the enemy has had the snot beat out of him and is in no position to continue resistance.

Okay, THAT makes sense. I concede your point. I agree that we have 'forgotten' what war is all about and I'm a firm believer that to win a war (what we're NOT doing now) you have to make the enemy TOTALLY dependent on you for their very existence; or kill them. In the long run it leads to far less suffering and misery than the route we're taking now. You also clarified a subtlety about armor and infantry I had not thought about. Thanks for the post.
80 posted on 08/19/2004 11:17:25 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: Wombat101
Ruminating a little more...

It seems that you're actually making a subtle point about "orders of battle". If the enemy has no armor to protect it's infantry we should exploit that weakness and annihilate their 'infantry'; total destruction.
82 posted on 08/19/2004 11:23:59 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: Wombat101

>>Rather than a new platform, I'm thinking more along the lines of going back to an older (and seemingly discredited) way of waging war: total destruction, which was the hallmark of western military practice since ancient Greece. This "hearts and minds" b.s. does not work until the enemy has had the snot beat out of him and is in no position to continue resistance.

Worth saying again. Carnage and Culture bump.

A big part of our problem in Iraq, is that the general populace in some areas, doesn't know they've been beaten. At the end of WWII, the German and Japanese people by God know they'd gotten the smack-down.


157 posted on 08/27/2004 3:46:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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