A couple of minutes of work and a few mouse clicks with Nero and the actual CDs.
So they can have single tracks without necessarily recording or ripping it themselves. Thus the concept of trading.
Gotta remember that one the next time I go to Red Lobster. I can't stand fish but think their desserts are dreamy. So I'll just order the meal that comes with a piece of cake, scarf down the cake, leave the fish on the plate, then just walk out without paying.
Well, we aren't talking about Ford being legally obliged anything. Nobody's asking ford to replace the blowout. But then it isn't ford's place either to storm in when rebuild the old engine instead of paying ford for a new one.
A red herring and completely unrelated to file "sharing". We're talking about Ford being obligated to supply their customers with a replacement vehicles in this example, not them having customers arrested for an engine rebuild.
IE, what I do with what I purchased is none of Ford's business, none of Riaa's business, etc. If I'm not knowingly breaking the law, they can butt out.
If you are using a copyright holder's property without their permission, you are breaking the law.
Screw 'em. That's like ford suing to say I can't rebuild my own engine. Screw them too.
You sure like to say "screw" a lot.
>>Which, in my opinion, is something that they're entitled to do since they're the >> copyright holder.
They are the copywright holder; but that doesn't give them the right to dictate to an owner what they can do with their own property.
You don't buy the copyright when you buy the CD.
If I buy "let it be", they have no more say in whether I copy it or destroy it. Period. As long as I'm not knowingly giving it away
Which you are doing when you "share" it (i.e. make it available) to the rest of the Internet to download. You don't have that right, only the copyright holder does.
For you. How does the guy that bought his pc last week know that unless he is taught or goes out and figures it out on his own. We're not arguing how simple it is for you or I. We're noting the reality for John q. public who is computer dumber than a bag of liberals.
Gotta remember that one the next time I go to Red Lobster. I can't stand fish but think their desserts are dreamy. So I'll just order the meal that comes with a piece of cake, scarf down the cake, leave the fish on the plate, then just walk out without paying.
That would be theft. On the other hand If I go out and buy an album for a single song, don't care for the rest of the album, and then download that one song off Winmx or someplace else. I've paid for that song plus the pile of crap besides that I didn't want. Now you're po'd because I'm not paying you a second time for the piece of cake on the plate that I figured out the recipe for and cooked myself because I had the gaul not to eat it with the fish you served back at the restaraunt. Or perhaps because you were too brainded to figure out I only bought the meal to get the cake and you wouldn't sell me just the cake. Seriously. You don't seem to like the actual circumstance and seek to do anything but address the actual circumstance.
A red herring and completely unrelated to file "sharing"
Well, that's your assertion. You've yet to back it up with anything. And it has everything to do with it. It was your bloody example and I turned it back on you. Just because you don't like it, don't whine to me that the truth is illegitimate cause it don't help you.
If you are using a copyright holder's property without their permission, you are breaking the law.
If I buy Pastmasters, It's my property. They hold the copyright. But that disc is my property and they have no more right to tell me what I can do with it than Ford has in telling me what I can do with my car. Period. As long as I don't sell copies for profit or give copies to people who haven't paid for the right to have it, I'm not violating any law. So, If I copy the disk and listen to it myself, It's the same thing as rebuilding the motor in the ford and driving on the rebuilt motor instead of buying a new one from Ford.
You sure like to say "screw" a lot.
If I do or I don't it has nothing to do with the issue. What's your point?
You don't buy the copyright when you buy the CD.
No, I buy a package that is MY personal property. If you steal a CD from Walmart, it isn't Riaa that comes after you, it is Walmart - Because the disk is THEIR property, not Riaa's. If I buy a book of Rockwell prints and pull one out, frame it and hang it on the wall, I defy you to show me where the rockwell family can sue me for it. I defy you. The Copyright law does not give that level of control. Copyright is intended to deal with a marketed product - not a personal possession. Michael Jackson has the rights to the original Beatles recordings so he's owed the profit from sales due to those rights. But Michael has no right to tell me what I can or can't do with my personal copy of any beatles piece if I'm not marketing copies of it or otherwise giving it away to people that haven't already purchased the right to enjoy it. I don't owe the Rockwell family a royalty every time I pass the rockwell print hanging on my wall. Nor do I owe Michael Jackson a royalty everytime I listen to Golden slumbers. And it doesn't matter a whit how I listen to it. I have it and I purchased the content to listen to it as much as I want - the whole idea of purchasing it. Riaa wants to redefine things so they can do something with Copyright law that was never intended. Ever.
Which you are doing when you "share" it
No, what I'm doing when I share it is making it available to those that have a legal right to it. And they know who they are. If they download it and don't have a legal right to it, I'm not the one committing a crime, they are. I can produce my originals. If they can't produce theirs, let the cops have them.
You don't have that right, only the copyright holder does.
Under library checkout clause of course you have the right. It's no different than walking into the library, checking out a cd and taking it home to rip it and return the original. The guy that rips it and takes it back is no less a thief than the guy who downloads it from the internet and hasn't purchased an original copy. So, the copyright holder in large part has already made the judgement to put the thing out there for people to have easy access to and even steal copies of without having to rob walmart. Riaa has no more way of knowing who's stealing copies through library checkout than on the internet. Riaa is begging and so are you.