Keyes won't back down on reparations

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/19/04 | SCOTT FORNEK

[tame]

Correction to post #678:

there IS no double standard. bush is president. alan is nothing.

So, Bush's RACE BASED idea RIGHT because he's president, but Keyes' RACE BASED idea makes him a marxist because he's not president. Frankly, you're getting you ass whipped in this debate. Spare yourself.

[Robert_Paulson2]

no dipster...
the house of ELECTED republicans,
the senate of ELECTED depublicans,
the president an ELECTED republican.
all made those laws what they are.

alan is in NONE of those bodies.

He has abandoned the party's cheifest of the fiscal principles with his reparations proposals.

the republican leadership does not believe our president has... because they are the very ones who passed the very items you cited into law. By definition, BUSH obeyed his constuency as much as possible and they did likewise.

Alan does not play well with others.
His followers might say because he is so principled.
But as a result:
Alan has never passed nothing.
as of yet.

all hat no cattle alan.


after he does. we can talk further about your concerns over equal vs. double standards.
until then, bait somebody else.

[Robert_Paulson2]

until then, bait somebody else.

[Robert_Paulson2]

until then, bait somebody else.

[tame]

"Good grief. Don't you ever stop bad mouthing people? Are you going to campaign for Obama? If so, you won't be doing it here." "Take it to DU*"

Now, about that race based stuff you support. DOUBLE STANDARD.

[tame]

the house of ELECTED republicans, the senate of ELECTED depublicans, the president an ELECTED republican. all made those laws what they are. alan is in NONE of those bodies.

So that makes Bush's race based ideas good, but Keyes' race based ideas are Marxist? You are UNUSUALLY dim.

[tame]

I am done with you.

Then why do you keep posting to me???

[H.Akston]

I always thought that we had a tacit gentleman's agreement in this country. The unconstitutional 14th Amendment (1868) deprived slave owners of any compensation for their property, and in return, slaves would not ask for reparations/40 acres.

"The 14th Amendment was never legal nor Constitutional from its very inception. The Constitution mandates that proposed amendments must be approved by two thirds of both houses of Congress. In December of 1865, the radicals in control of Congress refused to allow the legally elected Representatives and Senators from the southern States to be seated. Hence, at that point, Congress itself was unconstitutional. However, even disregarding that technicality, when the vote of those who WERE seated as part of the House was taken, out of 184 Representatives, only 120 voted in favor of the resolution. Two thirds of the 184 would have required 123 to vote in favor. In spite of the failure to get sufficient votes to constitutionally pass the resolution, the leadership of Congress arbitrarily declared the Resolution passed. Congress then submitted the 14th Amendment to all the states for ratification, INCLUDING the States which had already been DENIED representation in the Congress! The 14th Amendment was soundly defeated when it was rejected by all but one of the southern States and all of the so-called "border" States. Iowa and Massachusetts had also failed to ratify it by the beginning of March, 1867. The radicals had only 21 ratifications of the 28 needed. What to do? "

[TigersEye]

I made my point long ago.

I guess it was lost in the fact that you didn't say anything. So what's new?

[TigersEye]

"Illegals" is a culture?

Mexican hispanics are a culture and Pres. Bush is pandering to them with his amnesty proposal. And I thank you again for pointing out that fact.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Keyes delivered his blistering defense at a luncheon of the City Club of Chicago, scolding fellow conservatives who challenged his proposal and evoking the struggle of his African-American parents, saying they had talent and "hearts and spirit and strength and faith."

That's pretty much an insult to those parents, and grandparents who struggled in life and made sacrifices so their children and grandchildren could have a better future. Keyes racial pandering is a shameful attempt to further divide blacks and whites, and perpetuate the "minority" syndrome of being less in stature as opposed to numbers. Poverty among modern-day blacks isn't the result of slavery, but the lack of education, job skills and training, and, for some, their unwillingness to do better.

Does Keyes advocate reparations to other minorities such as the white working poor whose struggle to survive is just the same as those of poor blacks? Should we also pay reparations whether through cash or tax-breaks to other so-called minority groups whose ancestors have suffered hardships? Should we give the land back to the Indians and California back to Mexico?

The truth is, the majority of blacks are middle class and economically successful. This is something Keyes should remind his audience instead of perpetuating the reparation myth as the solution to social evils, and fingering all whites as culpable for slavery.

[Alberta's Child]

Outstanding post, Victoria. Thanks for the ping.

[Texasforever]

I believe Dubyuh's a PrincipledMan, but his position on protecting the borders is way outta step with Conservatism.

That is all well and good but if you blacks off the tax rolls you will need a lot of new amnestied Hispanics to take up the slack. I am never surprised at pandering by politicians but I do resent like hell all of the Keysters that are defending Keyes that have called Bush a socialist when Keyes is promoting the most socialistic concept in our history.

[Luis Gonzalez]

What amnesty proposal?

Where is it?

I see Keyes pandering to blacks all over the news with this self-serving (he gets tax exempt status as well) reparation scheme, but I don't see any talk of this pandering by Bush that you seem to think is going on.

[TigersEye]

35% of illegals crossing the U.S./Mexican border who were interviewed know about it. W can call it whatever he wants but amnesty is what it amounts to and everybody (except you) knows it. That means one of two things. Either W is too stupid to forsee the consequences of announcing his proposal or he intended for it to spur a huge influx of new aliens.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Where is this supposed amnesty?

Twenty-five percent of Americans believe that Michael Moore's Fahreinheit 9/11 is a documentary.

It doesn't make it the truth, does it?

[Luis Gonzalez]

W too stupid?

I see Keyes still blabbering about reparations, but where are Bush's statements on this "amnesty" of yours?

[BunnySlippers]

Good post.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Interesting how this thread is has become about President Bush.

Listen to the first hour of Michael Medved's show on the KRLA site if you have a chance. He pulled not a single punch.

[Torie]

Alan only needs a small slice of the black Illinois electorate to walk away with this seat.

Hi EV. Keyes will lose this election even if he gets 100% of the black vote. The major item of interest now is whether Keyes can carry the self identified Republican vote. Keyes will get under 30% of the vote. That's my prediction.