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Keyes won't back down on reparations
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/19/04 | SCOTT FORNEK

Posted on 08/19/2004 5:27:04 AM PDT by kattracks

His voice rising to a yell, Republican U.S. Senate nominee Alan Keyes told a bipartisan civic group Wednesday he "will not budge" from his belief that descendants of slaves should be exempted from income taxes to help heal the wounds of past discrimination and segregation.

The former presidential candidate disdainfully brushed aside questions over whether his suggestion should apply to rich African Americans such as Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey.

"Do you know how many Oprah Winfreys there might have been running around in the 1930s or in the 1920s or in the 19-teens that got nowhere because the doors were shut in their face?" Keyes thundered. "If you think that because I wear a conservative label, I have forgotten that history and am not mindful of that injustice -- then I will tell you now that you are wrong."

Keyes delivered his blistering defense at a luncheon of the City Club of Chicago, scolding fellow conservatives who challenged his proposal and evoking the struggle of his African-American parents, saying they had talent and "hearts and spirit and strength and faith."

"Why didn't they get to a point where they could stand on this platform?" Keyes aked.

Vying against Democrat Barack Obama, Keyes drew heat from conservatives earlier this week when he proposed exempting descendants of slaves from income taxes for a generation or two, a view he insists "involves a traditionally Republican, conservative and market-oriented approach."

On Wednesday, Keyes ridiculed the fuss over his position, saying it is simply a tax break, something "Republicans and my conservative brethren" don't object to when applied to a "wealthy corporation."

Conservative activist Jack Roeser met with Keyes for what Roeser called "a long argument and an intense one" over the issue before the speech. A Barrington businessman, Roeser said he still is not sold on Keyes' reparations proposal, but still plans to support him anyway. "I will tell my friends that this is a good man, and we should support him."



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To: onyx

Well, now that I look for it, it could be a "twofer."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194545/posts?page=630#630

What do you think?


661 posted on 08/19/2004 5:07:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: Robert_Paulson2; Luis Gonzalez

Luis "gay," never mind traitor.
ROTFLOL!
I think Luis is about as gay as GWB.


662 posted on 08/19/2004 5:07:32 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
they get to USE the infrastructures of our nation, without paying, whilst we non blacks pay double for them...

And about those illegal aliens...??? Oh, that's right. It's okay and conservative when Bush let's THEM live off us, and actually TAKE our money. But it's wrong for Keyes to let blacks KEEP their own money.

BTW, the STATE taxes pay for most of that "infrastructure".

Alan is wrong tame.

Didn't I already say that? Several times? You ARE dense. And you Wrong to hold that DOUBLE STANDARD.

663 posted on 08/19/2004 5:07:56 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Howlin

OH MY GOODNESS!

Words are sort of hard to eat without Heinz catsup.


664 posted on 08/19/2004 5:08:37 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
race based tax schemes sound like racism and marxism to me...

And those RACE BASED home loab schemes???

glad YOU support them, it paints you well.

You are not the brightest bulb in the box. I am the inly one of the two of us who has said it is WRONG for either Keyes OR Bush to do it. YOU embrace an indefensible double standard. Hypocrite.

665 posted on 08/19/2004 5:10:19 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
loans are not taxes.

You might not get this, but if I loan YOU MY money, then that is worse than not taking FROM you something that is rightfully YOURS. Get it?

It's worse to preferentially LOAN our money to certain PREFERRED races, than it is to leave someone's money alone.

See, in a loan person A takes person B's money and loans it to person C. With the taxes, person A gets to keep person A's money. See?

666 posted on 08/19/2004 5:16:20 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: wideawake
Triangulation. Very un-Keyes

Yes, but very smart in this situation. I'm beginning to think Keyes may actually be trying to win this thing.

667 posted on 08/19/2004 5:16:43 PM PDT by Hillary's Folly (Imagine there's no Hillary. It's easy if you try.)
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To: tame

whatever nutcake.

you cannot compare bush the elected president
with alan the unelected(able) race panderor from the state of .... wherever it is he is now residing...

the hypocrite who was against carpetbaggers before he was one himself and was against reparations before he was for them.

rofl.

how funny you would call someone else... hypocrite.
you st. alan worshippers are pathetic.

he drove away his base.
now he will blame republicans.
WE are the hypocrites for telling him no race based tax programs... not alan the abandoner of his base.

I am done with it.
Until the next insult string.


668 posted on 08/19/2004 5:18:58 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
whatever nutcake.

This coming from someone who would need 27 promotions to be an idiot.

Watch out for those DOUBLE STANDARDS, huh?

669 posted on 08/19/2004 5:21:36 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
the hypocrite who was against carpetbaggers before he was one himself and was against reparations before he was for them.

Between you and me, YOU are the hypocrite who bashes Keyes for RACE BASED ideas, and then turns a blind eye to RACE BASED ideas by Bush. I say Keyes is wrong. You WON'T say Bush is wrong. If ANYONE is guilty of worshipping a politician, it sure isn't me. It's you. Yes, hypocrite.

670 posted on 08/19/2004 5:24:51 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: kattracks

The Republican Party in Illinois is bankrupt today due to the efforts of the crooked George Ryan and his pals both Republican and Democrat.

Alan Keyes, a pathetic figure by any measure, can't damage the Republican Party any more than it is currently.

As new young members mature, the Republicans will recover but it won't be any time soon.


671 posted on 08/19/2004 5:25:19 PM PDT by hgro
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To: tame; sinkspur

yeah and it all gets paid back.
so once again it is NOT the SAME dippy.

like I said, take it to somebody else.
Alan drove away the base.
now his followers are pointing at president bush and screaming "double standard."

Well tough.
Alan has yet to be worthy of election by a majority of any party,let alone republican fiscal conservatives.

Bush is a proven winner.
Winners and losers are NOT comparable, and that is what this turns to all be about... alan supporters wanting to compare bush's record with alan's....

trouble is, alan has no public record of governance... just big loud mouthed words and rhetoric. and now that he is actually running, carpet bags in hand for illinois, we fiscal conservatives know why we have never put him in before... he is a race based tax planner.

america's fiscal conservatives say "no thanks."
and it now appears that they will say so in november... and ALAN is too blame, not the rank and file republicans. HE KNOWS what he has to do to win and keep republican support, and has just done his very best to stick a thumb in our eyes... just like you have done regarding accusations against the president.

good night, no wonder you are never going to win.
abrasive, stubborn and wrong.

alan has his very own self-defeating constituency.
pathetic.


672 posted on 08/19/2004 5:26:50 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
yeah and it all gets paid back. so once again it is NOT the SAME dippy.

It's even WORSE. He doesn't have any business using MY tax dollars to loan to illegals. No, it doesn't necessarily get "paid back". There is nothing to "pay back" under Keyes tax idea. Hypocrite. Ping your back-up to come fight your battles for you.

Now, about that DOUBLE STANDARD.

673 posted on 08/19/2004 5:30:40 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: HitmanNY
>>It does make sense.<<

In what way does it make sense?

>>It can be crafted in a way that is constitutional.<<

Give an example.

>>The purpose is to make recompense to descendants of people who were treated as property and less than human, by the official policies and laws of the USA.<<

That's making a second or third party guilty for the crimes of the first party. The only purpose could be to punish the second party for a crime he didn't commit.

That makes no sense...not to me anyway.

674 posted on 08/19/2004 5:32:13 PM PDT by evad (You cannot start with a false premise and arrive at a valid conclusion)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Before you go, please reflect carefully on these words Jim Robinson spoke to another Keyes basher, then classify yourself: "Good grief. Don't you ever stop bad mouthing people? Are you going to campaign for Obama? If so, you won't be doing it here." "Take it to DU*"
675 posted on 08/19/2004 5:33:04 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame

there IS no double standard.
bush is president.
alan is nothing.
Alan is not in an office to compare them with regards to their records.

And he won't likely be.
this illinois thing pretty wells nails the box closed on him,

... done with you ...
you are on your own.


676 posted on 08/19/2004 5:33:15 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: tame

take your race based tax plan to DU if you want.
I am done with you.


677 posted on 08/19/2004 5:34:16 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
there IS no double standard. bush is president. alan is nothing.

So, Bush's RACE BASED idea wrong because he's president, but Keyes' RACE BASED idea makes him a marxist because he's not president. Frankly, you're getting you ass whipped in this debate. Spare yourself.

678 posted on 08/19/2004 5:35:54 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
take your race based tax plan to DU if you want. I am done with you.

You're the only one of the two of us defending ANY of the race based ideas we've been discussing. I say they're both wrong. You say one is okay because the president did it.

679 posted on 08/19/2004 5:37:37 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
"Good grief. Don't you ever stop bad mouthing people? Are you going to campaign for Obama? If so, you won't be doing it here." "Take it to DU*"
680 posted on 08/19/2004 5:38:21 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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