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Retro Vs. Metro (The Great Divide)
http://www.retrovsmetro.org ^ | PoliPoint Press

Posted on 08/18/2004 10:44:03 PM PDT by plewis1250

Okay folks, here is something I stumbled upon this evening. I find it remarkable what these people believe, think, and say.

The website is called retrovsmetro.org and is filled with various misquotes, slanderous implications, and misleading facts that lend the viewer to feel as if "progressive" thinking is more modern and "hip" than good old fashion conservative ideals.

After doing some digging, I found the following on Amazon.com:
The Great Divide

The description says it all:
The Great Divide explains why America is so bitterly divided and how it is really two countries whose people, with different economic interests, think and vote differently. It explains why Congress gave the lion’s share of anti-terrorism funds to small states with low probability of terrorist attack "while California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and Texas—with dense high-rise cities, mammoth seaports and airports, and nuclear generating plants—proportionally receive the least." It explains how to stop sending jobs overseas and why political power is in the hands of Republicans who pander to a predominantly white, fundamentalist Christian constituency while sending massive subsidies to campaign contributors—oil, gas, coal, logging, and farm corporations. A call to action for change, the book offers a detailed blueprint for reconstructing America the way our Founding Fathers imagined it could be.
Written by John Sperling (of University of Phoenix fame), the book, as described by amazon.com, is called the "blueprint for how the Democratic Party can regain, and maintain, control of the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives."

Tomorrow, at least according to their website, "The Great Divide" occurs, should be interesting to see what is to come, according to them.

- Peter


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: book; goodvsevil; metro; metrosexual; metrosexuals; polipointpress; retro; retrovsmetroorg; thegreatdivide
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Also, I did a quick scan of retrovsmetro.org on WHOIS, and they registered the domain by proxy, which means nothing, but does conceal who actually is publishing the site. - Peter
1 posted on 08/18/2004 10:44:04 PM PDT by plewis1250
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To: plewis1250

Hey, I just had this discussion recently. Someone was going on about "metrosexuals," and I told him I was a "retrosexual." When he asked what that was, I said someone who believed in traditional monogamous marriage. The guy couldn't believe it.


2 posted on 08/18/2004 10:47:36 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

Oh yes, we certainly are the "retro" people. Personally though, I would rather associate myself with traditional values than of the values of the "metro" world.
- Peter


3 posted on 08/18/2004 10:50:31 PM PDT by plewis1250
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To: plewis1250

Pretty obnoxious site huh?


4 posted on 08/18/2004 10:54:52 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: plewis1250

Tracing the hops with tracert, it ended up somewhere in the great yonder past NYC:

sl-kanoo-1-0.sprintlink.net [160.81.228.114]

Anyone know the locale "kanoo"?


5 posted on 08/18/2004 10:55:10 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

That’s really odd that yours ended up there...
At my end it dumped out on some hosting provider up in Seattle. How strange...

- Peter


6 posted on 08/18/2004 11:03:15 PM PDT by plewis1250
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To: plewis1250

Mine ended up in Seattle too. Also, that site is eat-up with tracking cookies and data collection code ... BEWARE!!!


OrgName: digital.forest, Inc.
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Address: 19515 North Creek
Address: Parkway, Suite 208
City: Bothell
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98011
Country: US

NetRange: 216.168.32.0 - 216.168.63.255
CIDR: 216.168.32.0/19
NetName: DIGITAL-FOREST-BLK-1
NetHandle: NET-216-168-32-0-1
Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: OAK.FOREST.NET
NameServer: WILLOW.FOREST.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1998-12-29
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TechHandle: IZ30-ARIN
TechName: digital.forest,Inc.
TechPhone: +1-425-483-0483
TechEmail: support@forest.net

OrgTechHandle: NOC1326-ARIN
OrgTechName: Network Operations Center
OrgTechPhone: +1-425-483-0483
OrgTechEmail: noc@forest.net

OrgTechHandle: ARA23-ARIN
OrgTechName: Abuse Role Account
OrgTechPhone: +1-425-483-0483
OrgTechEmail: abuse@forest.net

ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-08-18 19:10


7 posted on 08/18/2004 11:07:45 PM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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To: plewis1250
You just want to ask yourself, "what your point, Amigo?"

Is the self-confidence of these self-styled "Metros" so poor that they have to run down Alabama?

This is more plain and pure West Coast bigotry, formulated in an atmosphere of panic and fear. We are not going to get very far with these people who think a Latte and a lazy day hanging around the Barnes & Noble is a substitute for critical thinking.

Somewhere down deep they KNOW they are shallow, and are deathly afraid of being discovered.

And the ones who really BELIEVE this simplistic tripe are as afraid of freedom than any true-believing Nazi.

What a great and prosperous nation we live in where we can afford such frivolity. A few degrees cooler, and all they'd trade all the Sunday NYT's and Cable for a fur-lined coat.

8 posted on 08/18/2004 11:39:46 PM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: plewis1250

They were running ads in the NY times yesterday - several of them - so whomever is behind them has some money. Kind of chicken of them to hide who they are, though.


9 posted on 08/18/2004 11:48:49 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Prospero

Yeah, re: CA vs AL, what is it they suggest? Are they opposed to the redistribution of wealth among the 50 states? Should not the federal government assist those states that fare near the bottom? Sort of strange that these would be Democrats objecting to it...


10 posted on 08/18/2004 11:54:29 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

They had an ad in USA Today August 18th.


11 posted on 08/19/2004 4:45:36 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: plewis1250

I saw these ads in The Washington Compost on Sunday. Metro was a Pruis, Retro was a Hummer. Kerry was a metro, President Bush was Retro. I'll take retro.


12 posted on 08/19/2004 4:47:59 AM PDT by MP5 (The memory is seared in my mind, seared I tell ya, burned in, never forget it..yep Cambodia..)
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To: plewis1250

No contest! It Retro or nothing!


13 posted on 08/19/2004 5:05:55 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: monkeyshine

That was my comment - just from the website.

LOTS of money - especially if they've got ads running.

The interesting thing is that obviously they're just running it in the big cities. Heaven forbid ALABAMA might figure out they're "retro"..

I'm glad rural Texas is "retro"!!


14 posted on 08/19/2004 6:44:16 AM PDT by pamlet
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To: plewis1250
FYI: I am a metro-sexual democrat who lives in the Washington, D.C. metro area. I despise rural America, conservatives, Republicans, Dubya and his administration, and am working to get Kerry elected. I didn't want to ambush any of the slow people here.

I cannot believe that our government is currently being run by a minority special interest group of xenophobes. Southern conservatives and other right-wing conservatives like yourselves represent the worst of America and embarrass this country to the rest of the world.

Your moral set, religious sensibilities and your arrogant self-righteousness represent a small part of America and does America a diservice is representing her on the world scene. You are all, for the most part, close-minded, homophobic, intolerant, unenlightened throwbacks who are currently dangerous because of our sitting President.

When Dubya is removed from office this November, hopefully, this country can begin to repair the damage that his administration has caused to the vast majority of our domestic and foreign interests. Including Dubya, you are all "uncompassionate non-conservatives."

1. "Metros" make up a greater population group than "Retros". This means that us "city folk" outnumber you rural people and, therefore, our government should be more liberal (progressive) than conservative (ignorant).

2. Dubya (George Bush) is an idiot who can't stand next to other world leaders without looking like an idiot. He can't speak well either, and with speaking being a mark of a competent person, I can argue that he needs to be kicked out of the White House this November.

3. Anyone who was president during 9/11 would have invaded Afghanistan to redress the terrorist attacks. It wasn't because it was Bush in office. He only did what he had to do, based on the advice of competent people, so you can't say that 9/11 is why Bush should be reelected. I am confident that Bush isn't smart enough to make the strategic decisions with Afghanistan. Any argument to keeping Bush in office is only based on a terrorist threat, which is thin and shabby at best, and there are no other issues that can support Bush, like education, the environment or any other domestic issue.

4. Our civil liberties and international standing has been practically gutted while the Bush admin. has been in office. Again, you conservatives either don't care about this or defend this because of a threat of terrorism. This country may not always be on top. Another country may end up being the next superpower in the next 50 or 100 years. The fact that you ignorants (I will call you names because I can back them up) defend Bush makes me want to throw up.

5. I am a patriot and I am in the military. Don't say otherwise. Patriotism is not agreeing with the Bush administration's rhetoric or having conservative values. Patriotism is standing up for what you believe in and is fighting for what you believe America is or should be. I believe that Dubya is a moron and I support John Kerry for President.

6. Kerry actually fought in a military conflict. Enough said.

7. Here's something off the wall for you. I believe that Bush is the Antichrist. This is for three reasons: The first reason is that both Napoleon and Hitler are viewed as being the Antichrist based on Nostradamus' prophecies, and, both of these figures fought for their country, similar to Bush. The second reason is that you may believe you are good, just, fair and are righteous, but, you may end up just being a murdering, hypocritical bastard that gets what you deserve. The third is that George W. Bush adds up to 666 when the letters of his name are added up using the Hebrew alphabet. This last reason is argued on this website, www.bushisantichrist.com.

9. Best of all is a bushism from Dubya himself, "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Do any of you out there really want to identify with the culture that this loser comes from? Read that quote again. Bye.
15 posted on 08/22/2004 8:56:24 PM PDT by timothyjw (There is a reason why people moved to the city.)
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To: timothyjw

Preserved for the ages.


16 posted on 08/22/2004 9:12:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: plewis1250

If you took a moment and used your brain, you would see that there is a HUGE link to the book --- where the authors are listed. Authors wrote the book + took out ads + created website = who is behind the site. Hardly hiding. Certainly not chicken. And the book is full of facts, all researched and well documented in the CD that comes with the book - the data is right there.


17 posted on 08/23/2004 6:12:22 PM PDT by rileya
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To: plewis1250; Liz; Howlin
What is Retro?

Retro America’s commonalities are religiosity; social conservatism; an economic base of extraction industries, agriculture, nondurable goods manufacturing, military installations; and a commitment to the Republican Party.

The current Retro America is geographically defined as an alliance of contiguous regions—the South, its anchor, and the Prairie and Rocky Mountain states. Retro America represents “Old America” with a traditional economy, high levels of social and economic class disparities, and political power firmly based in caucasian communities.

Retro America is large in geographic expanse but relatively small in population. Its 25 states encompass 66 percent of the land mass and 35 percent of the population, with a population density of 42 persons per square mile. Politically, Retro America, with 35 percent of the population, has 50 U.S. senators—half of the Senate.

On the Retro side of the cultural divide are those who, in response to their conservative religious beliefs, are pro-life and support prayer in the schools, the display of Christian symbols in public facilities, and publicly funded religious social services. The Republicans who represent them in Congress vote for constitutional amendments to ban flag burning, declare the U.S. a Christian nation, allow tax-exempt religious organizations (but not other nonprofits) to engage in partisan politics, and favor limitations on the First Amendment to combat speech and symbols they perceive as pornographic or unpatriotic. Retro Representatives support subsidies to oil, mining and agriculture, but they are opposed to women’s rights, gay and lesbian rights, affirmative action, welfare, organized labor, and taxes of any kind.

These are “God, Family, and Flag” folks politically dominated by rural, conservative, white, Fundamentalist Christian populations. Retro America is not the land of co-habiting, unmarried, hetero, or same-sex couples, or of the young seeking cultural excitement in the large Metro cities.

The Republicans have carved out Retro America as their base and are using the dangers of terrorism and permanent war to try to create a new national unity and a new national party.

What is Metro?

Metro American states are loosely held together by common interests in promoting economic modernity and by shared cultural values marked by religious moderation; vibrant popular cultures; a tolerance of differences of class, ethnicity, tastes, and sexual orientation; and a tendency to vote Democratic.

Metro America is not geographically contiguous—New England, the Middle Atlantic, the Great Lakes states and the West Coast plus Colorado and Arizona. Metro America represents “New America,” with the New Economy and political power more equitably distributed among ethnic groups.

Metro America, with 34 percent of the land mass, has 65 percent of the population, with a density of 151 persons per square mile. Metro America produces the majority of the nation’s tax revenue, but some $200 billion a year of Metro taxes flow to Retro states and support the economic life of its small cities, towns and rural areas.

On the Metro side of the cultural divide are religious moderates and seculars, Democrats, and moderate Republicans who are committed to excellence in education and science, who want the arts to flourish; who are accepting of differences in ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation; and who want a clear division between church and state. These moderates are in favor of women’s, gay, and workers’ rights. Their congressional representatives support affirmative action, public education, childcare, and other services needed by working parents, as well as progressive taxation. They oppose tax cuts for the wealthy that undercut progressive taxation, and they oppose subsidies and tax shelters favoring industry, especially the oil and extraction industries.

Metro America values inclusion, respects science and social discourse, and promotes policies designed to provide physical, economic and social security for all families, both the 20 percent of the “old traditional families” and the 80 percent of the “new traditional families.” If America is ever to be a true United States, it must embrace these Metro values of inclusion and respect.

18 posted on 08/23/2004 6:16:17 PM PDT by Libloather (What did Bergler stow - and when did he stow it?)
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To: monkeyshine

Try actually READING the text. That is the whole POINT - that federal taxes SHOULD be redistributed, and that a handful of states are carrying the whole country - thanks in great part to agricultural subsidies.


19 posted on 08/23/2004 6:16:33 PM PDT by rileya
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To: rileya
And the book is full of facts, all researched and well documented in the CD that comes with the book - the data is right there.

Have you read it?

20 posted on 08/23/2004 6:22:47 PM PDT by Libloather (What did Bergler stow - and when did he stow it?)
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