[Once-Ler]

So your real objective is to condemn these people to a lifetime of toilet cleaning?

Way to twist my words. I don't look down on people who do hard work for little pay.

[VeniVidiVici]

I didn't twist your words. That's what you said.

Basically, if these people remain illegals, toilets is about the best they can do. If they get amnesty, then they move up the economic ladder - albeit by ruining the chances of more deserving immigrants from across the globe.

Which means that these so-called "PaleoCons" may have an argument, correct?

[GarySpFc]

Way to twist my words. I don't look down on people who do hard work for little pay.

However, you do look down and have contempt on those who spend years attempting to follow the law and get into this country legally. Every day tens of thousands of individuals are turned downed at American consulates around the world when they apply for an immigrants visa. They spend years waiting, and doing so legally. I know, I have a Russian wife who cries at night waiting for her daughter and grandsons right to immigrate. I know how she felt after waiting all day outside of our Moscow consulate attempting to secure a student visa. She saw over 500 people come out crying because of visa denials that day. My wife and I continue waiting while you cry crocodile tears for those who break our laws. I served six years on a Special Forces A-Team during Nam fighting for what is right, but you keep telling us about how illegals are treated harshly. Forgive me if I have contempt for your feelings.