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Daryl Dawkins: Hoops in Black and White (Sociological Look at USA's Dream Team Failure)
FOX Sport ^ | 8/5/04 | Daryl 'Chocolate Thunder' Dawkins

Posted on 08/18/2004 2:05:55 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

Once the black game moved indoors and became more organized, the pressure to establish bona fides increases.

If you're not scoring beaucoup points, if your picture isn't in the papers, if you don't have a trophy (right away) then you ain't the man, and you ain't nothing.

Being second best in the black community is just as bad as being last. And if a teammate hits nine shots in a row, the black attitude is...'Screw him, Now it's my turn to get it on.'

If young black players usually cherish untrammeled creativity, white hooplings mostly value team oriented concepts. 'White basketball means passing the heck out of the ball,' says Dawkins.

White guys are willing to do something when someone else has the ball--setting picks, boxing out, cutting in to clear a space for a teammate, making the pass that leads to an assist pass.

In white basketball, there is more a sense of dicipline, of running set plays, and only taking wide open shots. If a guy gets hot, he will get the ball until he cools off.

Why is white basketball so structured and team oriented?

'Because the white culture places more of a premium on winning,' Dawkins believes, 'and less on self-indulgent preening and cheast beating.'

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.foxsports.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: basketball; olympics; usteam
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To: LS

Yeah, that's it...Lakers 80, Celtics 81, Lakers 82, Sixers 83, Celtics 84, Lakers 85, Celtics 86 (best team evern IMHO), Lakers 87 and 88, Pistons 89 and 90.


121 posted on 08/18/2004 6:41:43 PM PDT by TheBigB (Your opinion means nothing to me in terms of how I live. But thanks for playing!)
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To: cyborg
I thought the Olympics was supposed to AMATEUR!

It was but somewhere along the way it changed. In my honest opinion, it changed for the better. The Russians and Europeans always had a hands up advantage in sports due to their government sponsored programs and were always able to also financially subsidize the lifesyles of their athletes under the umbrella of organized amateur organizational scrutiny.

The Americans on the other hand, always being the guys to play by the rules, had to channel any financial winnings into some sort of trust fund which could only be accessible at a later date.

Being a skiing afficionado, it has always dismayed me why the U.S. has never been able to field a solid ski team on both the male and female sides. The most recent noteworthy are the Mahre brothers and Peekaboo Street.

So what is the difference between these homeboy athletes and those of Europe? I have to believe it is not only the ability to train the year around at home but also have the advantage of homeland ski manufacturers who literally pump millions of dollars in financial aid as well as "first off the line" technical advances in the ski equipment they provide to the European skiers........

As for the summer games, well, that is an entirely different story. With the exception of basketball, the other sports of the olympics are fielded primarily by athletes who are from all across the planet being trained and educated in our universities only to return to their respective homes to represent their respective countries.

Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. I think it is a shining example of what the United States has to offer to the rest of the world and if what we have to offer helps to raise the athletic bar of excellence then so be it.

122 posted on 08/18/2004 6:46:03 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 30+ years dealing with idiots, I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.....)
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To: TheBigB; rdb3

You're right -- I can't argue with that.

People tend to root for folks with whom they can identify.

And quiet as it's kept, that is one of the reasons that I find myself drifting away from the NBA as a whole (at least outside of playoff time -- I like the tension of a playoff atmosphere).

I'm from Indiana; Indiana scarlet and Purdue old gold run through my veins. Basketball is the state religion. Mackey Arena, Assembly Hall and Hinckle Fieldhouse (extra points if you know what school that gym was from historically) are it's cathedrals. Gene Keady and Bobby Knight are it's high priests. Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird are it's sainted knights. Glen Robinson went to school with my sister. Dick Barnett graduated high school with my dad.

But what I see in the NBA (and by extension, in this year's US Olympic Team) I don't like.

You're right - we are at the same sort of crisis level that the game faced in the 70s. And it will take someone of the caliber of a Michael Jordan or Larry Bird or Magic Johnson to correct the problem.

Until then, I'll stick with college as my primary hoops game.


123 posted on 08/18/2004 6:55:11 PM PDT by mhking
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To: gopwinsin04
You wanna have a Dream Team, you need 'The Truth' Boston Celtics Paul Pierce

No, Pierce was a terrible crybaby on the 2002 US team that got waxed in Indianapolis. He whined and whined.

124 posted on 08/18/2004 7:01:56 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: AD from SpringBay

And the fact that Larry Brown has only had three weeks of practice.


125 posted on 08/18/2004 7:12:55 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Hot Tabasco

That type of below the rim (excepting Lisa Leslie) basketball does exist, you just have to go over to the womens game to find it!


126 posted on 08/18/2004 7:15:03 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
They called those Laker teams Showtime in the days of Magic and Kareem, but although they were flamboyant, they did pass the ball and play a team game, thus their success. Fast forward to last season and an allegedly unbeatable Laker squad gets their heads handed to them by the team oriented Detroit Pistons. Team play beats street ball any day. Like Dawkins says though, I think the Lakers of the Showtime days combined a little of both.
127 posted on 08/18/2004 7:23:00 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: cyborg
Besides what the hell is 'white culture'? I understand what you are saying, but if there is a black culture, then there has to be a white culture also. There are distinct differences in values, with exceptions going both ways.
128 posted on 08/18/2004 7:25:54 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: AntiGuv
You think the USA Olympic basketball team would be a bust if Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone, and Vince Carter were on it? Two words: Detroit Pistons
129 posted on 08/18/2004 7:27:23 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03

I respectfully disagree.


130 posted on 08/18/2004 7:28:16 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: gopwinsin04

btt


131 posted on 08/18/2004 7:30:35 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: cyborg

I respect your opinion.


132 posted on 08/18/2004 7:33:55 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03

and I respect yours... all this respect is making me ill! :-)


133 posted on 08/18/2004 7:34:25 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Tribune7

I agree. See my post number 34. I mistakenly put BC in there for GS.


134 posted on 08/18/2004 7:40:23 PM PDT by 1L
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To: 1L

Yeah, Shue was an awful coach.


135 posted on 08/18/2004 7:43:36 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: cyborg

Okay, I won't respect you in the morning. Feel better? :^)


136 posted on 08/18/2004 7:47:20 PM PDT by TheBigB (Your opinion means nothing to me in terms of how I live. But thanks for playing!)
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To: TheBigB

Yes I do! :o)


137 posted on 08/18/2004 7:47:53 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: SALChamps03

I loved watching Lakers vs. Celtics mid 80's vintage, the NBA will never rise to those levels again.


138 posted on 08/18/2004 7:49:11 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: LS

I dispute the word, "destroying." For one thing, the NBA wasn't terribly strong that year as a weak Seattle team won over other West teams like Phoenix and Denver that mounted huge win totals, not to mention Portland. So, I'm a little suspicious of using the win totals that year for anything. For another, Walton's injury can't be that big of an excuse as Kareem also missed a quarter of the season.


139 posted on 08/18/2004 7:49:12 PM PDT by 1L
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To: El Gran Salseron

>>Don't you mean "World B. Free?"<<

Same dude. Actually changed his name to world, but before that, it was a nickname.


140 posted on 08/18/2004 7:51:02 PM PDT by 1L
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