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Alan Keyes on Reparations (AK contextualizes his comments)
The Illinois Leader ^ | 8-17-2004 | Chicago Bureau

Posted on 08/17/2004 2:38:57 PM PDT by unspun

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To: sharktrager

The income tax will not be abolished without bold plans like this, if you think otherwise you're day dreaming. It's plans like this that creates the cracks in the Dem/Socialist coalition that will eventually get the kind of reform that can lead to the abolition of the income tax.


61 posted on 08/17/2004 3:34:42 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: unspun
This idea is intellectually absurd.

I always liked Keyes but this is making him look like a lightweight.

62 posted on 08/17/2004 3:35:02 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: sharktrager

"1) Descendants of slaves stop paying income tax for 2 generations (at least 40 years)"

I'm all for it if we can make the start date coincide with the Emancipation Proclaimation. (22nd of September, 1862)


63 posted on 08/17/2004 3:35:33 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (If Kerry wins... we all lose.)
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To: NYCVirago

This is one issue of many. Go ahead and stick with the present batch of GOP Senators, if you like. I appreciate someone who has his own spine.


64 posted on 08/17/2004 3:36:36 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Truthsearcher
Posted by Truthsearcher to unspun On News/Activism 08/17/2004 5:16:54 PM CDT · 40 of 62 Actually this is not backpedaling at all, this is brilliant, because it diffuses the entire reparations argument. Tax relieft is fundamentally different from giving people money, because tax relief encourages people to work harder (you can't get tax relief unless you have income that can be taxed), while giving people money encourages them to not work. What this also does is that is gets the minority communities to support TAX CUTS, which they *NEVER* do. And you know what the next step is? After they get their tax cuts for a while, the debate becomes, should we raise the taxes minorities so that they pay the same as everyone else, or should be cut taxes for everyone else to get them to the same rate as the minorities.

Now, the Dems, who wants to raise taxes, will want to raise taxes on the minorities, and the Republicans, will be the ones who say, no, we don't want to raise taxes on anyone, this will get the minories to vote for the people who won't raise *their* taxes.

Good points.

It's also a very refreshing change from the GOP-Afraid-of-our-Shadow set.

65 posted on 08/17/2004 3:38:36 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: unspun

It's precisely stuff like this that makes me like Keyes so much. He doesn't deal in slogans and platitudes, he's actually thinks through the problem and comes up with real practical solutions that are sometimes out of the box. (His solution at the same time accomplishes 4 things Republicans should be for: lower taxes, encouraging worth ethic, crack the Democratic coalition, and sets the stage for more tax cuts in the future).

Unfortunately, he probably can never win an election because there are too many people who only want to deal in soundbites.("Reparations! Never! I don't want to hear it")


66 posted on 08/17/2004 3:42:06 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

You read it right. He's not backpedaling from anything. He is still saying that he is in favor of reparations.

We don't need this moron in the Senate.


67 posted on 08/17/2004 3:43:38 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: unspun

"never been incentivized out of the harm dealt their subculture"

What kind of crap is that. If they want an insentive to stop being poor they should walk into Best Buy. Between the computers the refrigerators the TVs and the car stereos there's got to be something to give them insentives. It is NOT and never will be the governments job to "incentive" anyone ever. Considering ways to "correct" this is communism. Keyes is continuing his sell out, he's also ignoring that with the poverty rate of blacks in this country a lot of them won't have any benefit from a no tax grace period becuase they already don't pay any taxes.


68 posted on 08/17/2004 3:47:52 PM PDT by discostu (That which does not make me stronger kills me)
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To: unspun
I like Keyes on many issues. But sometimes he makes some stupid stupid comments that link him to the fruit loop gang.

This clarification was just further "muttelfication" (this is my word and I am sticking with it) in my book.

Keyes will never get the black vote and now has alienated his white voters.

Amazing

69 posted on 08/17/2004 3:48:25 PM PDT by LowOiL (Christian and proud of it !)
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To: unspun

I agree, aside from this obvious gaff Alan Keyes is a good man.

I voted for him when he ran for President and would do it again provided these kinds of slips don't become the norm.


70 posted on 08/17/2004 3:48:48 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (If Kerry wins... we all lose.)
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To: Truthsearcher
Actually he's perfectly understandable, but of course not to people who don't want to understand him. Kinda like how the likes of Chris Matthews can't understand John O'Oneil.

Or maybe it's that some people want to understand him so badly they will twist and spin and contort themselves into a pretzel to make what he says acceptable to their ears.


71 posted on 08/17/2004 3:50:20 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Except I have disagreed with Keyes, for example I didn't and still do not agree with his take on the ten commandments issue in Alabama. So there goes that strawman for you.


72 posted on 08/17/2004 3:52:26 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Amish with an attitude

ROTFL


73 posted on 08/17/2004 3:52:45 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: discostu
What kind of crap is that. If they want an insentive to stop being poor they should walk into Best Buy. Between the computers the refrigerators the TVs and the car stereos there's got to be something to give them insentives.

LOL. Outstanding. I also want to seriiously question the intelligence of Keyes if he thinks that paying cash reparations is any different from exempting blacks from the income tax. It is a distinction without a difference. Non-black Americans will essentially be forced to pay for the government services of black Americans with their hard earned money rather than paying their hard earned money directly.

I do not deserve to pay anything. I am white. But I did not own slaves and neither did any of my descendants. My parents came over from Italy in 1954. How am I morally obligated to pay the descendants of slaves anything?

74 posted on 08/17/2004 3:54:09 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: Texas Federalist

descendants = ancestors

Never type angry.


75 posted on 08/17/2004 3:55:50 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: Truthsearcher

Do you agree with him that we should be "removing the tax burden from the black community for a generation or two"?


76 posted on 08/17/2004 3:57:36 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

We need more bad politicians like Alan Keyes. I will vote for the worst politicans over good politicans any day. Go Keyes ...


77 posted on 08/17/2004 3:59:37 PM PDT by jebanks
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To: Texas Federalist

But see, that's the same argument the Dems make whenever Republicans want to cut taxes for anyone, they tell people that once the rich gets to pay less if means "you" have to pay more, and that's not "fair".

But the whole thing is based on exploitation of people's jealousy. That's why I saw people who are ostensibly conservatives here in California cheering that the California govt want the Indian Casinos to pay tax. As though somehow their lives will be better because now the Indians paying more taxes. I opposed that too. Tax burdened raised on anyone will eventually be used as an excuse to raise our taxes, and tax cuts for anyone can eventually be used as a reason to cut our taxes.

As conservatives I'm for tax cuts even when it doesn't apply to me.


78 posted on 08/17/2004 3:59:38 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
As conservatives I'm for tax cuts even when it doesn't apply to me.

Do you specifically support race-based tax cuts?

79 posted on 08/17/2004 4:03:03 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
There seems to be an effort to take Keyes comments out of context and report the heck out of them. This is the second time it has happened in two days.

Anytime a politician says "you took my comments out of context," it's a clear sign he's stepped in it.

Keyes shoots from the hip. Not all of his positions are as thoughtful as they seem.

80 posted on 08/17/2004 4:03:18 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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