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Alan Keyes on Reparations (AK contextualizes his comments)
The Illinois Leader ^ | 8-17-2004 | Chicago Bureau

Posted on 08/17/2004 2:38:57 PM PDT by unspun

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To: Yaelle

Not even by DNA testing can you prove that your ancestors were here during slavery. I suppose if a particular family has maintained rigorous family records, that'd help but I can't imagine how such a task would be undertaken. Imagine the MONEY it would cost first of all. Now that I'm methodically thinking about it, it's even more of a bad idea than I thought it was previously *LOL*


421 posted on 08/17/2004 8:37:30 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
I am getting believe that Keyes even bringing this up was a stupid idea.

I disagree --- every Keyes thread ends up being 1000 or more posts. Keyes has a way of agitating --- getting people to look at things --- he should do this. What other politician can you think of is as able to get this kind of debate going?

422 posted on 08/17/2004 8:37:58 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: swheats
This really is getting pretty ugly.

It sure is. Makes me wonder about some things.

423 posted on 08/17/2004 8:38:40 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Robert_Paulson2

No it is YOU showing up on this thread and bashing Roman Catholics. WHERE IS YOUR FACTS!!!!! You come here and make a grand charge without ANY statistics to support your claim.


424 posted on 08/17/2004 8:38:49 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: nopardons
Why are you "ambivalent" to the race card and racial pandering?

Much like the idea that countries have no permanent friends, only permanent interests, I am willing to consider a relatively small compromise here to potentially major advances on other fronts. Sometimes loyalty to principles is knowing when to compromise one to advance others. If you are so loyal to your principles that you never get to advance them, you aren't very loyal to your principles. This is politics. I'd say real politik, but sinkspur would have another hissy fit.

This is NOT the kind of thing one talks about,when one want to reach what's left of GOPers in Ill.!

If Keyes gets every GOP vote in IL, he still loses unless he can get a whole bunch of non-GOP votes. He has to break into the D lock on blacks to have a chance. This may or may not be a good way to do it. But at least he is trying. He was brought in to shake up an otherwise hopeless race. He has certainly done that.

425 posted on 08/17/2004 8:38:50 PM PDT by blanknoone (Everything is impossible to those who refuse to try.)
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To: FITZ

Why has Keyes ignored the Native Americans? They have a story to tell too. I wonder if we can get the Congressional Budget Office to "score" this little proposal. My off the top guess is 110-150 billion per year.


426 posted on 08/17/2004 8:39:12 PM PDT by Torie
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To: spunkets
What kind of specifics do you want to know about?

Do you want to hear some of the things people have said to me about Keyes?

They've called him a carpetbagger who talks out of both sides of his mouth.They know about the Hillary thing and call him a damned hypocrite an worse.Many have said that they'll vote for the president,but just NOT vote for Senator.The hard core GOPers still think that Keyes doesn't deserve their votes because of his trashing the president one during the inauguration week.Many,who used to like him,have asked me if I ever saw his T.V. show.When I say yes.....they tell me that THAT alone,turned them off.And on and on and on.The mushy middles HATE HIM utterly And some told me they're voting Kerry this time and refused to listen further...were REALLY nasty;especially about "THE DAMNED OUTSIDER"!

You want more specifics than that? THEY HATE HIS SPEAKING " STYLE" !

427 posted on 08/17/2004 8:39:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: swheats; sinkspur
"I'm gonna give wads of cash to Kobe Bryant simply because he's black."

Did he say that or is this becoming FUBAR? Do you know if Kobe Bryant's ancesters were from free men or bond slaves? How about Oprah or Shaq? I don't know their lineage.

This really is getting pretty ugly. Assuming that because you have dark skin that you are entitled to tax relief because all darkies are from slaves.

"It is the Sense of Congress that Americans of African Heritage are understood to be encumbered by the Reproach of Slavery cast upon them by our white slavemaster forebears, and therefore, in the interest of fairness and in the name of justice, it is hereby decreed that for the purposes of this Act, "Descendant of Slave" shall be defined as "African-American."

If you can't see that coming, all I can say is that I hope your mother helps you cross the street, and you know better than to go near the traffic on your own.

428 posted on 08/17/2004 8:39:52 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: FITZ

Not too many politicians that's for sure.


429 posted on 08/17/2004 8:39:57 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: B Knotts; nunya bidness
Alan has triangulated the reparations issue in to the income tax issue brilliantly. He's gotten explosive national attention by this plan and he's deflated the hand-out conditions of the traditional reparations plan.

LOL!! Tax breaks based on race, just like college admissions based on race, are "handouts."

And the only attention this will get is "Alan Keyes supports reparations for descendants of slaves."

430 posted on 08/17/2004 8:40:14 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: cyborg
Not even by DNA testing can you prove that your ancestors were here during slavery.

And what of those blacks who are also descended from slave owners? That'd be an interesting formula for reparations. Or what of those blacks that owned slaves? There were a few. Or what of the noble Indians who owned slaves?

431 posted on 08/17/2004 8:40:14 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: unspun
The reparations thing is a non-issue. Those on "our side" who get worked up about it, don't like Keyes to begin with and are just looking for a reason to bash him.

my firm goal and ultimate objective is to replace the income tax, and thereby free all Americans from this insidious form of tax slavery.

If you disagree with this statement, you shouldn't be on FR...
432 posted on 08/17/2004 8:40:37 PM PDT by Antoninus (Abortion; Euthanasia; Fetal Stem Cell Research; Human Cloning; Homo Marriage - NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES)
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To: cyborg

I think you've stumbled upon one of the reasons that Alan Keyes is so hated in certain circles. I'll let you figure out the others.


433 posted on 08/17/2004 8:41:32 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Texas Federalist
This is the most unbelievable discussion I have ever seen on this board.

Who's got the fork?

434 posted on 08/17/2004 8:41:39 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: rdf

The idea is nuts Richard, and you know it. You should give Keyes a ring after listing all the downsides, which are many, including fueling racial animosity - big time.


435 posted on 08/17/2004 8:41:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur

Did Ophrah Winfrey get a tax refund from Bush? What's this with the class warfare? Because she earned her money, she should not benefit from a tax break?


436 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:21 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: B Knotts

Thank god he isn't Jewish.


437 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:34 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: B Knotts
Exactly! I don't know why that is so hard for some to understand.

Pipe down you!

438 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:39 PM PDT by nunya bidness (Live Strong)
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To: cyborg

Because he has feet in mouth disease and is his own worst enemy!


439 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ScottFromSpokane
I have no problem with brainstorming and kicking around ideas which one has no intention of actually proposing, but a candidate mustn't do it in public.

Attitudes like that are the reason we have such two-dimensional idiots in office right now. Only the shallow, greedy, bozos ever get elected because far-thinking creative types are "terrible candidates."

You reap what you sow.
440 posted on 08/17/2004 8:43:01 PM PDT by Antoninus (Abortion; Euthanasia; Fetal Stem Cell Research; Human Cloning; Homo Marriage - NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES)
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