Posted on 08/17/2004 11:33:54 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
The http://www.packing.org/ shows that OK is a shall-issue state, and recognizes any valid CCW issued by any other state.
Could be.
Bar owner didn't "bounce" that night, feeling his oats - went searching for a fight.
To beat up on a wine-o ain't no big deal, until those brass knucks are outdone by a length of steel.
Where did you see this bum? Was he of the ones living under the bridges in Georgetown?
"The http://www.packing.org/ shows that OK is a shall-issue state, and recognizes any valid CCW issued by any other state."
OK, then. Why was the bar owner not carrying, then, instead of knuckling up? This smells, to me, like a couple of buttheads out to rough up some person who couldn't defend himself. Guess they were wrong, eh?
Interestingly, I believe, from a short search, that OK bans brass knuckles altogether, as do most states.
Again, there's more to this story than was written, I'm quite sure.
"Bar owner didn't "bounce" that night, feeling his oats - went searching for a fight.
To beat up on a wine-o ain't no big deal, until those brass knucks are outdone by a length of steel."
If that's true, it's hard to claim self-defense. OTOH, just for the sake of argument, look at it from the bum's point of view . . . TWO punks with brass knuckles -- and anyone who carries brass knuckles IS a punk -- attack you in the middle of the night. I think I'd want to make sure they didn't come back, myself, knowing how punks think.
Nice rap, AZ! Another possibility is that the bar owner fancied himself a one-man "neighborhood improvement" crew, and thought he was doing a service by chasing bums out of the area.
Either way, two guys with brass knuckles vs. one with a pipe sounds like, "Fair fight, sorry you lost."
The Howard family and fellow bar owners were outraged, saying Howard was chased down and bashed repeatedly in the back of the head.
Unless "The Howard family and fellow bar owners" were there (and why didn't they help, huh?) then they're just guessing. Only the 3rd man in the fight knows much about what really happened.
"TWO punks with brass knuckles -- and anyone who carries brass knuckles IS a punk "
I'll second that! As someone points out in a later message, two guys wearing knucks take on a guy with a pipe. Pipe guy wins. Could have gone the other way, too.
Some guy comes at me with brass knuckles, I'm going to pick up whatever's handy and brain him with it...period. Of course, that's if I don't have a firearm handy.
But, then, this guy was just a bum, eh? Not really a human being at all. Seems to be the sentiment upthread.
"Only the 3rd man in the fight knows much about what really happened."
Well, unless I misread, he's the one who threw the first punch. I guess he's not saying all that much. Taking the Fifth, I suppose.
This story stinks. Not enough info.
That seems typical of national news stories that we discuss on FR ... we chase around this and that point, but end up with "Huh"?
Either way, two guys with brass knuckles vs. one with a pipe sounds like, "Fair fight, sorry you lost."
Yep. CLEANUP IN ALLEY TWO!!!
Other than a description of the incident, the D.A.'s refusal to prosecute and the family's petition, I haven't heard a bit of this on local news. It appears that the AP has scooped the locals. And yes, T-Town is around 400,000 and the proud home of Roy D. Mercer.
Tulsa ping
Moe? Curly? Shemp?
Law enforcement in Tulsa has gone into the toilet in the last 18 months, since they settled a lawsuit with a group of black police officers. The settlement was so bad that the original plaintiffs offered to just forget it, but the judge wouldn't allow it! Now every action by every police officer has to be logged into a database, with the race of every participant prominently mentioned, so the whole force can be analyzed for "discrimination."
You can imagine how diligently the police are patrolling downtown at 4:00 a.m. (/sarcasm), and it's not really surprising that business owners would be getting angry and stupid.
(I'm attributing law-and-order intentions to the bar owner, perhaps wrongly.)
LOL - you're safely out of Tulsa! (But so am I ...)
BTTT
We only go to Tulsa to go to the airport, thank goodness.
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