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Keyes has plans for reparations
Chicago Tribune ^ | 8/17/04 | Allison Benedikt and David Mendell

Posted on 08/17/2004 5:58:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

One day after their first meeting, U.S. Senate hopefuls Barack Obama and Alan Keyes were back on the campaign trail again Monday.

Speaking at a news conference at the Hotel InterContinental in Chicago, Republican Keyes added to his now familiar talking points his stance on slavery reparations.

Prompted by a reporter's question, Keyes gave a brief tutorial on Roman history and said that in regard to reparations for slavery, the U.S. should do what the Romans did: "When a city had been devastated [in the Roman empire], for a certain length of time--a generation or two--they exempted the damaged city from taxation."

Keyes proposed that for a generation or two, African-Americans of slave heritage should be exempted from federal taxes--federal because slavery "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment." In calling for the tax relief, Keyes appeared to be reaching out to capture the black vote, something that may prove difficult to do, particularly after his unwelcome reception at the Bud Billiken Day Parade Saturday...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: apologistsforkeyes; atotalnutcase; flipflopalan; keyes; panderalan; pullsracecardagain; reparations; solomonsplitlibbaby; taxwhitesonly
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To: Alberta's Child
there probably hasn't been a 1040 form filed with the IRS with a return address in Irvington in decades

LOL!!!

"It's funny because it's true."

321 posted on 08/17/2004 9:00:18 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: TigersEye
Keyes proposed that for a generation or two, African-Americans of slave heritage should be exempted from federal taxes--federal because slavery "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment."

You're just assuming he meant that.

Not assuming - I'm basing that on EXACTLY what he said, which I have pasted above for your convenience once again.

322 posted on 08/17/2004 9:00:25 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: cyborg

Okay. I went back and read your posts on this thread. Not the ones to which you responded, so sometimes I got only half the conversation. Now, instead of seeing your post as a goal-post moving effort, I just don't understand what blacks still not being equal immediately after slavery had to do with my initial post of government discrimination being wrong.


323 posted on 08/17/2004 9:00:56 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Theft is theft even if the government is your thug.)
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To: Aquinasfan

Whatever problems certain people are having today can't be solved by money or anything else materialistic. It's something that only God can provide.


324 posted on 08/17/2004 9:01:03 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: TigersEye
No kidding! You have a hard enough time speaking for yourself. 8^P

But, I notice you avoid the actual substance of the post. Says alot about you, it does. ;0)

325 posted on 08/17/2004 9:01:19 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: cyborg
"My family came here with nothing and made some thing because they worked hard that's true but you can't deny the level of racial discrimination that black people had to face in this country."

Then go after the perpetrators of discrimination and don't make an entire society responsible for the actions of a few. If your neighbor commits a crime, should you be forced to do his time?

No one is going to disagree that slavery was bad (although legal at the time and had been for thousands of years) or that blacks had it tough due to bigotry and discrimination. We as a society have tried to correct that through the sixteenth amendment, the Civil War and enacting legislation making it a crime to discriminate. If someone has been the victim of discrimination, let them announce the perp, take him to court and let a jury decide.

To criminalize an entire nation over the actions of a minority runs counter to everything our constitution and concept of individual liberty stands for.

326 posted on 08/17/2004 9:01:25 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: concerned about politics
So why aren't the Irish in the same boat? The Welsh coal miners? They were all used as slaves when they came here. Why are they not victims? Did they not bleed?

The Irish and Welsh chose to come here for the most part, most blacks (prior to 1865 at least) did not. Even the Irish used as indentured servants were not slaves- their children were not born indentured servants/slaves, they were free after seven years, and once free they had the same rights as other free whites. The children of slaves were born into lifelong servitude along with their parents. Slaves could not marry, learn to read, or testify on their own behalf.

The Irish and others had it hard in the United States, but it was not the same as slavery.

327 posted on 08/17/2004 9:01:52 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: LWalk18
Keyes comes across as a nut- reparations is a fringe issue.

Tangential. Is it a legitimate issue? Are slaves and their descendents due reparations for their unjust suffering?

Look how many people are turning against him on this thread-

This should be less of a consideration than getting at the truth.

328 posted on 08/17/2004 9:02:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

There's been no substance in your posts.


329 posted on 08/17/2004 9:03:02 AM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

QUESTION: How do you prove your ancestors were slaves? What about Black slave owners? What about people who are half black and hald white? What about people were are from Africa who were never slaves? What about people who were slaves in other lands before coming here from Jamaica or Brazil? This is a can of worms that should not be opened.


330 posted on 08/17/2004 9:03:10 AM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: LWalk18

Actually, that 7-year figure isn't always accurate - some whites were brought to this country as "indentured servents" and it was for life - not just seven years.


331 posted on 08/17/2004 9:04:11 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: cyborg
Whatever problems certain people are having today can't be solved by money or anything else materialistic.

If I lose my arm because of a doctor's negligence our judicial system would attempt to compensate me with monetary damages. This wouldn't "solve" my problem, but the settlement would be just, more just than providing me with no compensation at all.

332 posted on 08/17/2004 9:05:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Cold Heat
I feel real sad about that and what they and their ancestors went through with forced conscription and forced labor.

Therefore, I demand equal treatment! :-)

Uhhhh....?

333 posted on 08/17/2004 9:05:33 AM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Aquinasfan

This should exclude SS. Anyway, the really positive part of this is that they will have to earn more to save more. Those contributing nothing but griping will see a big fat goose egg. Those making something of themselves will be rewarded.


334 posted on 08/17/2004 9:06:01 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: TigersEye

Actually, you've not addressed one valid point and can do nothing but post idiotic attacks when you can't address the facts and truths that I speak.


335 posted on 08/17/2004 9:06:12 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: tnlibertarian

The end of slavery did not spell automatic equality for black people with all the rights and privileges that white people enjoyed. People forget that when having these discussions. Treating people equally under the law is only a recent trend. Reparations is a bad idea though, just look at this thread.


336 posted on 08/17/2004 9:06:36 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Aquinasfan

It looks like Dr. Keyes has created a lot of confusion doesn't it?


337 posted on 08/17/2004 9:07:19 AM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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To: TigersEye
"Neither. I was speculating on what choice of responses they have. Will the Dem race-hustlers rush to embrace no taxation as a reparation solution?"

They will ignore it completely but use it to legitimize their own demands regarding reparations.

338 posted on 08/17/2004 9:07:20 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
And accidently shoots himself in the foot with it, and spends the remainder of the campaign hopping around on one foot blowing on his toes to try and put the fire out...

We still have the abortion/partial birth debate yet to rage, school choice, WOT, Iraq, O'Hare expansion, jobs, taxes overall, health care. And BO will have to defend every single one.

And then there is his Illinois Senate record. 4 years of inaction, announces as US Senate candidate, then bills galore. Keyes won't be able to reload fast enough. And then there is the gun debate too!
339 posted on 08/17/2004 9:07:37 AM PDT by Right_Handed_Writer (Keyes is Making Sense, Obama is Making Excuses.)
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To: Aquinasfan

True, but if you lose your arms due to a doctor's negligence, and you get nothing, does that mean in 140 years your decsendents can file a suit demanding his descendents pay you?


340 posted on 08/17/2004 9:08:18 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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