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Hurricane spares higher quality construction of affluent islanders
St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 16, 2004 | JENNIFER LIBERTO and TERRY TOMALIN

Posted on 08/16/2004 4:26:54 PM PDT by jolie560

CAPTIVA - The ritzy barrier islands that Hurricane Charley pummeled first before raging across the state appear to have survived far better than their neighbors farther inland.

Although damage assessments had yet to be completed for the islands Sunday night, Lee County officials said they were confident that damage could be repaired and the islands could recover their identity as an idyllic vacation getaway.

"Nearly all (buildings) had some damage, but it was varying degrees, because these are big homes and well-put-together homes," said Pat O'Rourke, spokeswoman for the Lee County Emergency Operations Center. "It's a matter of the integrity of the structures."

While many resort homes on Captiva and North Captiva Island saw some damage, most lost rooftops, not walls. A St. Petersburg Times reporter and photographer who toured the area in a boat noted some damage to homes on the tip of North Captiva Island but not to the extent of those damaged in Punta Gorda and Port Charlotte.

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To: HairOfTheDog

Yes, I need to brush up on my HTML. But not dumb enough to stay in a mobile home through a hurricane.


61 posted on 08/16/2004 6:18:06 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: BunnySlippers

Sure, low value housing single family housing like mobile homes aren't usually found in any city.... But that is a different thing than "banned".


62 posted on 08/16/2004 6:18:38 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Normal4me

http://www.nbc-2.com/index.shtml

NBC2 and ABC7 spent Sunday afternoon taking a two-hour helicopter tour of damaged areas on Fort Myers Beach, Sanibel, Captiva, Bokeelia, Pine Island and south Fort Myers. Click above for a detailed, narrated look at the spectacular aftermath of Hurricane Charley.


63 posted on 08/16/2004 6:19:06 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yippie for you and your team. This whole little side topic of yours is just pointless tilting at windmills.


64 posted on 08/16/2004 6:19:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

You are amzing defensive. Do you own a mobilehome?


65 posted on 08/16/2004 6:20:42 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Normal4me
The fact that only 17 people (confirmed so far) lost their lives because they didn't evacuate is pretty telling.

Exactly.

66 posted on 08/16/2004 6:21:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Construction of mobile homes is sub-par. Like I said, they drag down property values.


67 posted on 08/16/2004 6:21:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: HairOfTheDog

how many died in mobile homes in Punta Gorda?


68 posted on 08/16/2004 6:22:57 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Lorianne

I see from your profile you are from Hawaii. Are you a contractor? Builder? Realtor? What do you think a "Safe" home would cost to build? Just for fun, lets say 1000 sq feet. No permits, land costs or fees just raw materials. Simple concrete slab with either a block or wood framed structure. I have to go for the evening, I have a home to build tomorrow but I will await your answer.


69 posted on 08/16/2004 6:23:03 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Thanks for the link.


70 posted on 08/16/2004 6:24:44 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: devane617; RightWhale
and the majority of the mobile homes were adequately tied down, and the floors remain in place. However, the entire upper structure were blown to bits.

I agree with RightWhale.
Perhaps increase the number of rivets that hold the sheet metal to the frame by 50%. Especially at the seams so the wind can't get underneath and begin to peel it away. It might also help to decrease the stud spacing in the walls a bit. It would add a little more cost to construction, but they'd be somewhat sturdier.

71 posted on 08/16/2004 6:24:52 PM PDT by Willie Green ( Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: BunnySlippers

No.... but I rent one on seven acres up here in Washington.

I am not poor, but it is cheap, and ideal for what I'm doing right now. I am not here to lobby for the trailer trash sect, but I don't like a snob that would ban trailers from Florida because ~bonk~ it just seems like a good idea and we wouldn't have to see the mess on TV.


72 posted on 08/16/2004 6:25:26 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: BunnySlippers

Of course... they are built to be light and mobile and cheap. Build them heftier and they probably wouldn't be good cheap mobile housing!


73 posted on 08/16/2004 6:26:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: No Longer Free State

Well, I've always wondered why people would want to live in flimsy houses in hurricane country. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people who live in Florida now weren't born there.

(And Maryland hasn't taken any guns. I live there and I've still got my pistols and "assault rifles.")


74 posted on 08/16/2004 6:27:08 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: HairOfTheDog
You have a wrong impression. This is the problem in trying to talk about this with people who are defensive.

It's not about snobbism or what's cheap. In the case of Florida it's about what's safe. These homes are not safe. I have looked into their safety more than you know.

I did preface this conversation by saying that building codes here in California are NOT cheap. They are strict. But when there is an earthquake in Pakistan kills 60,000, the same magnitude here in California kills 10. So, strict building codes work.

I am remodeling my home now. It's not old, but strict building codes keep me safe in an earthquake. I know it.

75 posted on 08/16/2004 6:31:58 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: HairOfTheDog
There are now waterfront,canal front that is, mobile homes in the keys that sell for $400,000-600,000 and they sell as soon as they are put on the market.An 800 sq ft. cbs dry lot home in the keys starts at $425,000 if you can find one.
76 posted on 08/16/2004 6:31:59 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Why not ban mobile homes from Florida .. period?

Given that trailer housing is incredibly cheap compared to a conventional home/lot, I'd prefer that trailer dwellers simply accept full responsibility for their financial hardship in the event of a natural catastrophe. In other words, I'm not one to dictate to people where they can live, but I am one to object to our government bailing them out.

Private insurance can cover them as they see fit, based on probabilities and construction.

77 posted on 08/16/2004 6:32:43 PM PDT by meyer
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To: rodguy911

That cost is the land.... not the structure.


78 posted on 08/16/2004 6:33:19 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: jolie560

It is not fair that the rich should not suffer to the same extent as the poor. The two possible solutions are to upgrade construction codes for all dwellings to the point that no poor people can afford to live anywhere but on the street, or to outlaw superior constructions methods used by the rich. Both of these approaches will probably be tried in this situation...


79 posted on 08/16/2004 6:33:26 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (We live in a wonderful country where any child can grow up to be the next Ronald Reagan.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Maybe. But in an area that is ravaged by hurricanes more than my area is by earthquakes then one has to wonder why the local government is not looking at strengthening the codes.


80 posted on 08/16/2004 6:33:55 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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