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Maine Faces "Proposition 13"-type Proposal on November Ballot
Library Journal ^ | August 16, 2004 | Unknown

Posted on 08/16/2004 1:32:02 PM PDT by Mini-14

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1 posted on 08/16/2004 1:32:05 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mini-14

Prop 13 was one of the best things CA voters ever did. The legislature still wants to spend ever larger fractions of our state income, but this is one thing holding them back (even if imperfect). I highly recommend this to the voters of Maine. Good luck and best wishes.


2 posted on 08/16/2004 1:39:12 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: SheLion

PING


3 posted on 08/16/2004 1:43:56 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: RKV

I hope it's going to pass. You wouldn't believe the dire predictions coming out from these groups. No snow removal, scaled back fire, police departments. I can't wait to cast my vote.


4 posted on 08/16/2004 1:58:15 PM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: sox_the_cat

Last poll I saw (last week) had it 63-37 in favor. Bangor Daily News won't print pro-Tax Cap op-ed pieces!!
I'm voting for it, and I honestly don't know anyone who isn't!!
The scare tactics are getting ridiculas. In my town the school board spends like drunken sailors (no offense to our sailors), and that's when our largest tax-payer went out of business!!
TAX CAP YES!


5 posted on 08/16/2004 2:04:00 PM PDT by MrLee
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I was a CA homeowner for 20 yrs under 13 and I hope to now have my ME property tax capped so I can live another 20 yrs here without having to move,


6 posted on 08/16/2004 2:11:18 PM PDT by larryjohnson (Retired USAF)
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To: sox_the_cat

You have to remember that politicians live by the rule "I can tax Peter to buy Paul's vote." The hysteria will increase to almost unbearable levels. Do it anyway. Do it for the children. If we take away the income transfers from state spending (welfare, make work jobs, etc.), there is plenty of money to do all that a state government needs to do. Tell your elected representatives that.


7 posted on 08/16/2004 3:00:49 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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I never had the pleasure of visiting Maine, but it sounds like a great place. AND it is home to Bushmaster Firearms (Windham).


8 posted on 08/16/2004 3:02:31 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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I never had the pleasure of visiting Maine, but it sounds like a great place. AND it is home to Bushmaster Firearms (Windham).

Maine has beautiful geography, and, while slow to warm up to 'folks from away,' the natives are really good, hard-working people. I live less than 5 miles from the Bushmaster factory.

9 posted on 08/16/2004 3:04:30 PM PDT by Cboldt
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The financial "crisis" in California has nothing to do with lack of money, and everything with overspending.

As long a polictiican can buy votes with tax money, there will always be a reason to raise taxes.

I would really like to see a list of priorities for tax money. I would have police and fire on top. Infrastructure (road and building maintenance next), schools next, followed by the administrators for the city, followed by parks and playgrounds.

Welfare and social programs would not be on my list.

10 posted on 08/16/2004 3:05:49 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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Maine, and librarians and others are warning that it could devastate municipal services

Judging by most of the librarians that I have met up here, you can vote for anything that they are against.

11 posted on 08/16/2004 3:08:53 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: kingattax; 8mmMauser; EGPWS; Acela; afterhoursguru; AlextheWise1; AniGrrl; ...

Thanks for the ping. I'm confused with this. Is this a good thing or a BAD thing? I'm trying to figure out what is going on.


12 posted on 08/16/2004 3:27:03 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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No snow removal, scaled back fire, police departments. I can't wait to cast my vote.

Eh? How with they get paid????

13 posted on 08/16/2004 3:27:39 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: larryjohnson
I was a CA homeowner for 20 yrs under 13 and I hope to now have my ME property tax capped so I can live another 20 yrs here without having to move,

And guess what! My prop taxes are due before the 1st of October. Figures.

14 posted on 08/16/2004 3:28:35 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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My pleasure on the earlier --ping--. Neat job up in "The County."

I haven't studied the "PRop 13" parallel. Tough call. Some old timers in prime real-esate are taxed out of their homes as the propery becomes desired by more people. Lakefront Big Sebago is an example, I know a few folks who have been lake-front for 30+ years, and their tax increases are 10x. On the other hand, property taxes tend to be a local issue, town by town.

All that being guessed, my inclination is to be against the proposition. The folks who have land that appreciates in value x10 can get a windfall by sale, etc. If the land is worth more, the taxes should go up. Otherwise, people like me in slowly-appreciated land will have OUR property taxes go up. That's just my take on it. Plenty of reasonable arguments on the other side.

15 posted on 08/16/2004 3:38:12 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To me it is a good thing for it will cause the school departments to rein in their spending, or even let the private sector take over ...... in the meantime towns will focus on what is important. Public safety and roads.


16 posted on 08/16/2004 3:56:11 PM PDT by mlmr (Find a ring and put it round, round, round And with ties so strong your two hearts are bound...)
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All that being guessed, my inclination is to be against the proposition. The folks who have land that appreciates in value x10 can get a windfall by sale, etc. If the land is worth more, the taxes should go up. Otherwise, people like me in slowly-appreciated land will have OUR property taxes go up. That's just my take on it. Plenty of reasonable arguments on the other side.

Well, I don't mean to sound dumb, but hubby always took care of this, and I never bothered looking into it.  Now I have to.

But what did the one poster mean that there will be no pay for snow removal, and the Fire and Police Departments?  What does one have to do with the other?

I'm surrounded by potato fields, so I doubt if my property increased in value any.  The house, probably. But not the land.  It's not like I sit on a lake.

17 posted on 08/16/2004 3:59:44 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: mlmr
To me it is a good thing for it will cause the school departments to rein in their spending, or even let the private sector take over ...... in the meantime towns will focus on what is important. Public safety and roads.

That WOULD be a good thing. Especially the roads!

18 posted on 08/16/2004 4:00:52 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: Cboldt

Understood. I was born and raised in a small town (pop. 7000) and it is different dealing with people you have known for 40 years versus those you have known for 40 minutes. If I was still in manufacturing Bushmaster would be on my short list of firms I would be interested in working for. Nice products, nice customer service, etc.


19 posted on 08/16/2004 4:03:16 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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But what did the one poster mean that there will be no pay for snow removal, and the Fire and Police Departments? What does one have to do with the other?

All that is a "it depends" question. Public services have to be paid for somehow. Depending on where your snow removal, fire and police services come from, affects how (which taxes) the services are paid for. Standish used to have its own police, then opted to pay the county sheriff (less) for similar coverage. The devil is in those details. For the most part, the taxes work out pretty fairly, and after all the pissing and moaing, the taxes don't change much, given a level of service.

20 posted on 08/16/2004 4:03:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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