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A Big Fly in the Open-Source Soup
BusinessWeek ^ | 13 August 2004 | Stephen H. Wildstrom

Posted on 08/16/2004 10:08:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce

The open-source movement has had a remarkable run of success that has seen software such as the Linux operating system and the Apache Web server emerge as major challenges to Microsoft. However, the movement is now facing a crisis. At its heart is a question that has been around from the very beginning: How does software owned by everyone and by no one survive in a world where copyrights and patents shape the legal landscape? The question is being forced on a number of fronts, and if open source is to play an important role in software's future, the issue will have to be dealt with decisively.

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How does software owned by everyone and by no one survive in a world where copyrights and patents shape the legal landscape?

Just one example of several misconceptions in this article.

1 posted on 08/16/2004 10:08:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; TechJunkYard; Nick Danger; Salo; zeugma; Chili Pepper; Golden Eagle; Bush2000; ...

Open Source tech ping


2 posted on 08/16/2004 10:09:20 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

"software such as the Linux operating system and the Apache Web server emerge as major challenges to Microsoft. "

And another misconception proffered by the author. Major? Not really.


3 posted on 08/16/2004 10:10:09 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

There are more Linux/Apache web servers on the Internet than MS/IIS servers.


4 posted on 08/16/2004 10:12:53 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

"There are more Linux/Apache web servers on the Internet than MS/IIS servers.

"

Source?


5 posted on 08/16/2004 10:13:51 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ShadowAce

I found this, regarding high-traffic servers. I'm looking for more stats.

Alexa 1,000
1 459 49.73% Apache
2 218 23.62% Microsoft
3 185 20.04% Netscape
4 16 1.73% zeus
5 5 0.54% Binary file (standard input) matches
6 3 0.33% AOLserver/3.0
7 2 0.22% AV/1.0.1
8 2 0.22% JavaWebServer/1.1.1
9 2 0.22% Oracle_Web_Listener/4.0.8.1.0EnterpriseEdition
10 1 0.11% Cisco Systems/1.4.1 (Unix)
11 1 0.11% Domino-Go-Webserver/4.6.2.5
12 1 0.11% Etoys Web server 1.2
13 1 0.11% GWS/1.9
14 1 0.11% HydraWEB 1.0FCS
15 1 0.11% IBM-Planetwide/10.45 Domino-Go-Webserver/4.6
16 1 0.11% JavaWebServer/1.1
17 1 0.11% MHttpd/3.2 (UAI; i686-linux; Meta-HTML/6.08)
18 1 0.11% Mathopd/1.3pl4
19 1 0.11% Mediasurface/2.0
20 1 0.11% NCSA/1.5.2
21 1 0.11% NaviServer/2.0 AOLserver/2.3.3
22 1 0.11% Ootle_Server/1.0
23 1 0.11% Open-Market-Secure-WebServer(Global)/2.0.10.RC0
24 1 0.11% Open-Market-Secure-WebServer/V2.1.
25 1 0.11% Oracle_Web_Listener/4.0.7.1.0EnterpriseEdition
26 1 0.11% Oracle_Web_listener2.1/1.20in2
27 1 0.11% Oracle_Web_listener3.0.2.0.0/2.14FC1
28 1 0.11% RSMV/1.2.4 (Unix)
29 1 0.11% This
30 1 0.11% Unknown/0.0.0
31 1 0.11% WWW
32 1 0.11% WebLogic 4.5.1 Service Pack 9 05/24/2000 07
33 1 0.11% WebSTAR/4.2 ID/70009
34 1 0.11% WebSTAR/4.2 ID/70636
35 1 0.11% WebSpective Interceptor 3.0
36 1 0.11% thttpd/2.16 29feb00
37 1 0.11% tigershark/0.9.9-S
38 1 0.11% tigershark/0.9.9-SS
39 1 0.11% txshttpd/1.0 ThreadedDBL/1.0


Media Metrix 500
1 187 37.78% Apache
2 135 27.27% Microsoft
3 124 25.05% Netscape
4 2 0.40% AOLserver/3.0
5 2 0.40% zeus
6 1 0.20% AV/1.0.1
7 1 0.20% Binary file (standard input) matches
8 1 0.20% Commerce-Builder/2.10 (Win32; ix86; S) Commerce-Builder/2.10
9 1 0.20% Etoys Web server 1.2
10 1 0.20% GWS/1.9
11 1 0.20% HydraWEB 1.0FCS
12 1 0.20% IBM-Planetwide/10.45 Domino-Go-Webserver/4.6
13 1 0.20% JavaWebServer/1.1.1
14 1 0.20% Mathopd/1.3pl4
15 1 0.20% Mediasurface/2.0
16 1 0.20% NaviServer/2.0 AOLserver/2.3.3
17 1 0.20% Open-Market-Secure-WebServer/V2.1.
18 1 0.20% Oracle_Web_listener3.0.2.0.0/2.14FC1
19 1 0.20% ROXEN
20 1 0.20% Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.4 FrontPage
21 1 0.20% Respond.com/2.5
22 1 0.20% WebSTAR/4.2 ID/70636
23 1 0.20% WebSitePro/2.4.9
24 1 0.20% WebSpective Interceptor 3.0


100 Hot
1 44 48.35% apache
2 20 21.98% microsoft iis
3 16 17.58% netscape
4 1 1.10% AV/1.0.1
5 1 1.10% GWS/1.9
6 1 1.10% IBM-Planetwide/10.45 Domino-Go-Webserver/4.6
7 1 1.10% JavaWebServer/1.1.1
8 1 1.10% Mediasurface/2.0
9 1 1.10% NaviServer/2.0 AOLserver/2.3.3
10 1 1.10% Open-Market-Secure-WebServer/V2.1.
11 1 1.10% ROXEN
12 1 1.10% WW
13 1 1.10% WebSitePro/2.4.9
14 1 1.10% zeus


6 posted on 08/16/2004 10:16:30 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Netcraft
7 posted on 08/16/2004 10:16:30 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
I've read through a few issues of Business Week recently. My impression is that Socialist Week would be a better name for it. They leave no DNC talking point untouched.

As for Linux, I'd really like to know what those patents were. Perhaps they'll help illustrate how absurd a lot of software patents really are. The purpose of patents and copyright is clearly described as being "[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts," not to stop progress and competition.

8 posted on 08/16/2004 10:16:41 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: ShadowAce

simple - modify the GPL to insist that fees be paid for any patented works included in software packages but nonpatented items be freely available. Done. (Teeth gnashing and nazghul wailing in the distance...)


9 posted on 08/16/2004 10:17:19 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: ShadowAce

most of which are doing nothing useful.


10 posted on 08/16/2004 10:18:01 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: ShadowAce

You appear to be correct.


11 posted on 08/16/2004 10:19:00 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ShadowAce
copyrights and patents shape the legal landscape?

Linux is copyrighted. Software patents are stupid and should be abolished.

12 posted on 08/16/2004 10:21:13 AM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: MineralMan

Apache has already eclipsed IIS.

Sun is afraid of Linux, not Win XP Servers.

The future used to be .NET. Now it is Linux (or BSD) servers and mixed desktops. The low cost of Open Source servers proved to be more important than the architectural advantages of .NET.


13 posted on 08/16/2004 10:43:53 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_
The future used to be .NET. Now it is Linux (or BSD) servers and mixed desktops. The low cost of Open Source servers proved to be more important than the architectural advantages of .NET.

Tell that to Mono. It's going to eclipse Java because, unlike Java, C# is an ECMA standard, and the Mono sources for .NET are freely available. And oddly enough, this will help Microsoft and the open source community. Sun is toast. They will not exist within 10 years.
14 posted on 08/16/2004 10:50:04 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: ShadowAce
...software such as the Linux operating system and the Apache Web server emerge as major challenges to Microsoft.

Uh, Apache's been around a lot longer than IIS. It also has alot more users (currently almost 3 to 1) and always has.

15 posted on 08/16/2004 10:50:09 AM PDT by usapatriot28
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
Both the GPL and patents have been used to stop binary distributions inconsistent with law. Short of a patent holder placing a patent in the public domain, infringing GPL'd software cannot be distributed under the GPL.

GPL advocates have no problem chest-thumping when somebody is in violation of the GPL, and often retort with software patents are stupid when a patent is asserted.

US Law allows for software patents, and open-source groups have to come to grips with that reality. Too much money has been paid to the USPTO to suddently go back and say, "never mind, software patents no longer apply."

A better approach would be to advocate reform where non-commercial distribution and use are free to us patented methods.

Most people believe that they can use GPL'd software, and modify it for internal use without releasing the source code changes. However, the GPL FAQ is inconsistent with that when the internally modified code is used for Web interaction. When the question was clearly asked to the FSF, there reply was that they will not interpret the GPL unless they are paid for their effort since it seemed the questioning party was promoting the use of proprietary software.

16 posted on 08/16/2004 10:50:14 AM PDT by rit
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The problem Microsoft faces is that Microsoft USED to be the cheap off-the-shelf solution compared with Sun, HP, IBM, etc. proprietary mid-range systems. It was totally plausible that Microsoft would dominate what had been midrange systems with Windows servers, especially when, with .NET, you can migrate objects very easily between layers.

The problem is Microsoft can't compete against free, everybody except Sun adopted Linux as a server OS, and not that many people NEED a super-flexible multi-tier system.


17 posted on 08/16/2004 10:50:20 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
Linux is copyrighted. Software patents are stupid and should be abolished.

I'm actively looking for open source violators of my patents. I will sue them, if they infringe.
18 posted on 08/16/2004 10:51:33 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: rit
Too much money has been paid to the USPTO to suddently go back and say, "never mind, software patents no longer apply."

Not true. If it turns out not to be valid intellectual property, it just goes *poof*. Another example is spectrum ownership. It's looking obsolete. It may just go away. Or it could be periodically re-auctioned at ever-higher prices, or heavily taxed, to encourage minimal exclusive use of spectrum.

IPRs and spectrum rights are not the same as other property. Declaring them invalid is not the same as a taking.

19 posted on 08/16/2004 10:56:02 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Bush2000
I'm actively looking for open source violators of my patents. I will sue them, if they infringe.

Good luck with that pal. IBM probably owns most patents in software.

20 posted on 08/16/2004 10:57:16 AM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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