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Some people require external force to keep on the straight and narrow, lacking such attributes as self control and self discipline. Unfortunately, they are also the most likely to believe everyone else is exactly like them, hence their claims that "without God, we'll be murdering each other and copulating with animals" which may be true for them, but not necessarily for the rest of us.

Well maybe not murdering each other or "copulating with animals", but we have about 80,000 trial lawyers and ACLU lawyers that are chewing this country up pretty good right now and I can guarantee you to a man that every one of them is an atheist. And it is only going to get worse. Secularism does not work for man because secularism requires man be ruled by logic. And we have know from the mid 1700s that will not work. Look at the damage Communism has done to this world.

When I was learning Philosophy we outed secularism (empiricists, rationalists) in the intro class. Not workable for the human race due to our irrational nature.

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I'll concur, socialism and communism simply cannot work, as humans are hard wired against it. Alphas exist and weak specimens exist and never the twain shall meet.

However, to leap from that to (paraphrasing) "therefore we need an irrational, supernatural belief/retribution system," is, I think, selling humans short.

Theocracies are also out the window (see: Taliban, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, etc) and even christianity failed pretty miserably in the so-called Dark Ages.

So where does that leave us?

It's also a stretch to "guarantee" that every trial lawyer and ACLU lawyer is an atheist. I trust you were knowingly using hyperbole to bolster your point. Heck, John Edwards goes to church every Sunday... and don't you forget it! (And John Kerry was in Vietnam).