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To: nasamn777
The talk origins site is a bunch of propaganda -- twist the science to make evolution appear as fact.

Yes, they cite quite a number of science journal articles and books. It should be easy to substantiate a claim that they twist these sources away from the original authors' intended sense. If they did, they would be doing "creation science" against creation science and the situation would have that parallelism so often claimed by creationists when denounced for their tacts. ("And EVOLUTIONISTS never do this. Oh, yeah!")

The problem thus far is that the claim of symmetry has been like Clinton calling Republicans "the free lunch crowd" when liberalism is the pandering-est political movement going. The real evidence is all evolution. The dirty scholarship is all creation science/ID.

Anyway, I'm sure you'd like to put some flesh on this claim by showing the discrepancies between the T.O. citations and the original works.

304 posted on 08/17/2004 9:02:19 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
... denounced for their tacts

Or even their tactics.

305 posted on 08/17/2004 9:04:34 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Anyway, I'm sure you'd like to put some flesh on this claim by showing the discrepancies between the T.O. citations and the original works.

It's not so much what is discrepant (although if I have some time I'll look into this as well); it's what contributors like Theobold chose *not* to include that tell the story (like omitting the problems with molecular phylogenies). Here's a good discussion at ARN that you might find interesting:

Common Descent FAQ Discussion

The last post by MG sums it up nicely. Also, this site: http://www.trueorigins.org/ is full of articles exposing talkorigins' bias, inconsistencies, and errors.

312 posted on 08/17/2004 9:31:32 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: VadeRetro

Here is a link that presents a good critic of T.O.

Talk.Origins:
Deception by Omission
Jorge A. Fernandez

http://www.trueorigin.org/to_deception.asp


315 posted on 08/17/2004 9:43:36 AM PDT by nasamn777 (The most strident evolutionists have put their heads in the sands of ignorance)
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