[Jaguar1942]

And the converse. When science is used as a reason for non-existence of a supreme being, it becomes religion, not science.

You actually believe this? You poor, poor, man, I feel for you, I really do.

Science has NEVER claimed that there is no god, and science has never claimed that there is a god, science does not endeavor to answer the question.

When God is used as a causation in a "scientific" theory, it is no longer scientific, it is religion, and based on the religious faith that there is some sort of supreme being.

Sciences job is to find natural, and repeatable explanations, for natural occurences. To say that god did it, is a fancy way of saying, "you don't know how it happened." Stopped, dead theory, no more to be said or done, you're over.

Science cannot use a supreme being for a cause, because it stops the study from going any further.

You may not like it, but sometimes the truth hurts.

[tallhappy]

Science has NEVER claimed that there is no god, and science has never claimed that there is a god, science does not endeavor to answer the question.

Exactly my point.

Sciences job is to find natural, and repeatable explanations, for natural occurences.

Yes.

I'm not sure why you did not understand my post.

My point is those here use science to argue against God out of their own religious principles. They take science and pervert it in to a religion of sorts.

This dynamic is most easily manifested with regard to evolutionary theory, hence the incredibly zealous and dogmatic and nasty arguments on these threads by the religious evolutionsts.

[jonno]

Sciences job is to find natural, and repeatable explanations, for natural occurences. To say that god did it, is a fancy way of saying, "you don't know how it happened." Stopped, dead theory, no more to be said or done, you're over.

I agree. As a believer I admit to the bias of my beliefs. But I also readily agree, that to ignore or deny what can be proven (science) is just plain silly.

Where I would disagree with you is the folwoing statement:

Science has NEVER claimed that there is no god, and science has never claimed that there is a god, science does not endeavor to answer the question.

While the above may the the stated creed of the scientist, I find little evidence of that in this thread. And, while the statement "God did it" may not be good "science", in the end, it may just be - a fact - as irrefutable as gravity. Does the fact that it can not be proven render it a theory "without merit"? Possibly. But I think it extremely foolhardy to dismiss it outright - as do many on this thread.