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Evolution's 'Dictatorship' -- Student Struggles to Get Opposite Viewpoint Heard
AgapePress ^ | 16 August 2004 | Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 08/16/2004 9:40:47 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: hopespringseternal
What purpose will it serve? What can challenge the once sentence tautology that is evolution?

Then why bitch about it unless you are just another troll?

441 posted on 08/17/2004 3:04:54 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: bluejay

The apparent lack of such a resource opens the evolutionary community to questions.

It does NO such thing, this is a question for abiogenesis, not evolution.

Evolution starts when the first creatures that procreated appeared, any further back and you go into a whole other theory, or hypothesis actually, a number of them.

That field is abiogenesis, and Ichneumon made an excellent post with all kinds of resources in it about 4 pages back, I would advise you to go backand look at that post and study some of the very interesting work being doen in that field.

But again, you are trying to hurt evolution on questions it never asks.

Do you wish to try again, this time about evolution?


442 posted on 08/17/2004 3:05:23 PM PDT by Jaguar1942
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To: AndrewC

You are correct, thank you for that, I am running a fever of 102, so probably should not try to get at all technical, because I will miss something.

Thank you


443 posted on 08/17/2004 3:07:02 PM PDT by Jaguar1942
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To: AndrewC
The second law says that heat flows spontaneously from hot things to cold things and not the other way around.

Indeed it does. However, don't you think we should teach alternate viewpoints too?

:-)

444 posted on 08/17/2004 3:09:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

My memory runs off, and drags me kicking and screaming with it.


445 posted on 08/17/2004 3:09:41 PM PDT by Darksheare (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he still taste like chicken?)
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To: bluejay
In the real, world in took ~200 million years for fully functional bacteria to come into existence. Based on bacterial physiology and given a typical length of prokaryotic genome, what is the probability that this can happen through evolution and natural selection?

Wow! You have the complete physiological definition of 4.3 billion year old bacteria? Time to write an article and win a Nobel prize!

Oh, wait, are you just assuming that bacteria haven't evolved in the last 4.3 billion years?

Oh, then, never mind.

446 posted on 08/17/2004 3:10:14 PM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: balrog666
Oh, wait, are you just assuming that bacteria haven't evolved in the last 4.3 billion years?

Of course they haven't. How could they - there are no beneficial mutations. In fact, bacteria were once hyperintelligent beings, far more advanced than we. They built vast cities, and spaceships, and roamed the universe. Then those darn mutations started, and they slowly started to degenerate. By now they're only a single-celled shadow of their former selves.

447 posted on 08/17/2004 3:15:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Just look at cats.
Good old Felis Domesticus once enslaved mankind into worshipping them as gods.
And then they grew compacent, and our alien overlords then became pets..
They still try to uphold a pretense of their previous superiority.
/ joke
*chuckle*


448 posted on 08/17/2004 3:19:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he still taste like chicken?)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
No. Thermodynamic laws hold regardless of the mechanism; that's one of the points of thermodynamics. If a gas in a state (p1,v1) is brought reversibly to a state (p2,v2) in one experiment and brought irreversibly to the same state (p2,v2) in another experiment; the entropy of the gas is the same in both cases.

Perhaps your interlocutor is unfamiliar with the term "state variable"......

449 posted on 08/17/2004 3:20:52 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Jaguar1942
It does NO such thing, this is a question for abiogenesis, not evolution.

The question is in two parts. One part is abiogenesis - this addresses the probability of organic matter spontaneously generating from inorganic matter. The other part is evolution/natural selection - the probability of humans evolving from early bacteria. I would welcome information on any resource that rigorously addresses the probability of either.
450 posted on 08/17/2004 3:29:25 PM PDT by bluejay
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To: Right Wing Professor
However, don't you think we should teach alternate viewpoints too?

I don't mind. But there are no chinks in the armor of the second law. In a modified form it recently "took down" Hawking.

451 posted on 08/17/2004 3:31:22 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: balrog666
Wow! You have the complete physiological definition of 4.3 billion year old bacteria? Time to write an article and win a Nobel prize!

Start with modern bacteria, make intelligent assumption and explain what assumptions you are making and why. Peer review the model and adjust as new information becomes available. This does not sound like an impossible exercise.
452 posted on 08/17/2004 3:34:03 PM PDT by bluejay
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To: AndrewC
But there are no chinks in the armor of the second law

Sez you. I could find you a dozen elegant perpetual motion machines of the second kind. It seems to me they ought to get equal billing.

453 posted on 08/17/2004 3:36:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: hopespringseternal
That's the problem with evolution debates. One side thinks that one sentence is all they ever need to put into the debate. It is a religious mantra that does not bear scrutiny or questioning.

Yeah, like the one sentence, religious mantra, "god did it".

Of all the reasoned criticisms I have seen leveled (which, of course, do not exist the instant they are out of your sight),

Could you attempt to be less vague?

every one has been dismissed rather than addressed.

Oh, utter horse manure. Do even *you* believe this crap you write? On this thread alone, the following creationist "challenges" have been "adressed rather than dismissed" (or "addressed *then* dismissed", as appropriate), even though you claim that "every one" has been treated vice versa:

nasamn777's "dice football field" analogy. Addressed in posts #318, #334, #366.

nasamn777's "talkorigins leaves out stuff" charge. Addressed in post #317, #327, and #337.

Microgood claimed that evolution should require the number of species to continue to increase over time. This was addressed in post #324.

And so on. Your overblown claim is quite simply false.

And anytime someone points out that the only trick you know (other than your disdain for unbelievers) is that one sentence,

How, when, and why did you get on this "one sentence" kick? And just how often do you imagine anyone else makes the same goofy point?

you roar about how the level of debate has never risen above that level.

No, we ask what in the heck you're going on about.

Are you sure you're even reading the same thread as the rest of us?

454 posted on 08/17/2004 3:39:16 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: bluejay

http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/793.html

Take a peek at that, it might interest you, if you are actually looking for answers, and not tilting at windmills.


455 posted on 08/17/2004 3:41:26 PM PDT by Jaguar1942
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To: Right Wing Professor
Sez you. I could find you a dozen elegant perpetual motion machines of the second kind. It seems to me they ought to get equal billing.

What do you mean? Many, many, many of those PMMs get into the news. You just don't see many vehicles driving around with them providing the motive force.

456 posted on 08/17/2004 3:41:26 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: AndrewC
You just don't see many vehicles driving around with them providing the motive force.

That's because the Dictatorship of Evil Engineers makes sure they're excluded from auto plants.

457 posted on 08/17/2004 3:43:44 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: RightWingNilla
Because based on the organization human genome, the "designer" must have been an incompetent putz.

So after you get drunk and bash up your new Escalade, are you going to blame the engineers at Cadillac?

458 posted on 08/17/2004 3:44:12 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!†)
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To: AndrewC

They are always a disapointment, because once the gyro gets spinning, it's supposed to go forever, but they never tell you that you have to give it peanuts for the squirrel in the trunk....


459 posted on 08/17/2004 3:44:44 PM PDT by Jaguar1942
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To: bondserv

huh?


460 posted on 08/17/2004 3:46:42 PM PDT by Jaguar1942
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