[CalRepublican]

Nobody seems to be willing willing to acknowledge that women die from pregnancy -- who are we to force a woman to risk her life to carry her baby to term? I don't see what that has to do with this story. There was no indication that this had anything to do with the life or physical well-being of the mother. And, when so many of these babies are actually BORN and left to die I don't understand what the issue is. . . The average maternal death rate when a pregnancy is continued to birth is about 66 per million births. The death rate from continuing the pregnancy to birth is about 33 times higher than having an early abortion (under 9 weeks gestation). Again, anybody's guess as to what this has to do with a story with a baby that was actually BORN. OTOH, I absolutely agree that as the fetus comes closer to being a viable person, the state's interest in the second life grows... Yet reading some of the posts above, I get the feeling that some FReepers would value the life of the baby above that of the mother? Where did you see that? This looks like a canned response frankly, to an abortion thread. . . The pro-choice argument often pretends that the helath of the mother is their concern, but they wouldn't be okay with banning abortion even where the health of the mother was not at issue, so I never see the point in having the argument. Having said that, it is not the physical well being of these women that is at issue. Instead, it's what pro-choicers call mental well being. And everything gets lumped into that, so that every abortion involves the "health" of the mother. This was an incredibly touching story that gave a name, a life and a personality to just one of the millions of Americans whose life is permitted to be terminated because it's inconvenient and because the abortionist lobby has managed to de-personify them.

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CalRepublican wrote:

Yet reading some of the posts above, I get the feeling that some FReepers would value the life of the baby above that of the mother? Where did you see that?

Have we been reading the same responses?

This looks like a canned response frankly, to an abortion thread.

Canned? No, everything except the (clearly marked) quote was composed on the fly. I've been avoiding abortion threads, too many extremists on both sides, driven purely by emotion. For example, the strong emotions th "Tiny Tim" story was calculated to evoke.

This was an incredibly touching story that gave a name, a life and a personality to just one of the millions of Americans whose life is permitted to be terminated because it's inconvenient and because the abortionist lobby has managed to de-personify them.

Yes, an incredibly touching story which brings all of the "terminate the abortionists" wackos out of the woodwork:

Various parties wrote:

...we should ZOT those abortionists.... ...We should take the same view of abortionists as they do of babys... ...Sounds about right to me. But remember, we don't start the civil war, they do... ...They've already started it...many are probably just biding the time, finalizing all preps and making notes... ...Those who slew the unborn children will be tortured forever, for God wills it to so... ...You, sir, are a liberal tool who defends murder with your lame-assed excuses... ...What is it like to know that a Planned Parenthood extermination camp exists in your town?... ...Abortion is - literally - a Satanic sacrament... ...this doctor of death did late term abortions, so an assisting demon... ...Your disdain for life of unborn BABIES resulted in the drastic decrease in the reverence for life. Mass murder in schools, drive-by shootings, Husband killing wives, wives killing husband are just a tiny manifestation of your love of self so much that you are willing to snuff out the life of an unborn baby because the baby will cramp your style...

The pro-choice argument often pretends that the helath of the mother is their concern, but they wouldn't be okay with banning abortion even where the health of the mother was not at issue, so I never see the point in having the argument.

Except that I am not your generic pro-choice liberal, I'm just a guy with conservative views who happens not to be a Christian, and who has temporarily forgotten the first rule of FR debate -- When somebody doesn't agree with you, has a different opinion arrived at from a different point of view, the best response is to just lash out with personal attacks, rather than making an attempt to sway their opinion with something other than bible verses.

(To the three adults in this thread who didn't stoop to that level, Truthsearcher, Lexinom and Coleus, please ignore the preceding paragraph.)

To the rest of the participants in this thread, thanks for giving me a clear demonstration of how only a certain subset of Christian Conservatives is welcome on Free Republic; all others can (will) go to hell, and will be reminded of that fact at every opportunity.