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The Death of Canadian Scouting
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 13 August 2004 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 08/15/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by BraveMan

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To: headsonpikes

Did I remember the salute right or was my kid just having me on? ;)


101 posted on 08/15/2004 11:42:09 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
It all comes down to this. Anti-theists promise "freedom." But somehow we always wind up with someone making rules for the rest of us. And this is "freer" how?

Since someone's always going to be dictating morality to me, I'll take my dictated morality from the Creator of the Universe, not from some human being who can't even see the contradictions in his own philosophy.

102 posted on 08/15/2004 11:43:01 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Looks like one for the list....


103 posted on 08/15/2004 11:43:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (The Islamic Jihad and the Homosexual Jihad both want to destroy us.)
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To: gcruse

I vaguely recollect that salute.

I was a beaver in the '50s. ;^)


104 posted on 08/15/2004 11:44:35 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: gcruse
"special public privileges"

Like minorities, illegal aliens, homosexuals, and democrat politicians already get?

No one seemed to mind that BSA got to use public facilities 30 years ago. A meeting room at the local library, a corner of a state park for camping, etc. Now, most any group can do the same thing. Why does it matter that the BSA does it too? Because they have a values-centered philosophy, that's why. I bet if BSA was a gay atheist organization, you would not be so quick to try to impose your 'standards' on them.

105 posted on 08/15/2004 11:44:54 AM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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To: BraveMan

Troop 386 bump.


106 posted on 08/15/2004 11:45:14 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: gcruse

I was just trying to figure if the answer was yes or no"

Like when Kozak asked you:

"So should atheist organizations be forced to accept the religious?"
and you answered:

"Then you, too, are in favor of discriminating against kids based on religion.
Why so sensitive in admitting it?"

Should atheist organizations be forced to accept the religious?


107 posted on 08/15/2004 11:45:18 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

That's your choice, and I respect it. I choose otherwise.


108 posted on 08/15/2004 11:45:26 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
but one can posit right and wrong without having to appeal to invisible men in the sky.

You can, but it is only relevant to you, it has nothing to do with the rest of us.
109 posted on 08/15/2004 11:46:24 AM PDT by microgood
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Excellent comments, along with some others on this thread. Amazing how a slight mention of the name of God enrages some people.

It would be nice if organizations like Planned Parenthood and the Southern Poverty Law Center (or whatever it's foul name is) didn't receive taxpayer money... PP get millions of dollars, IIRC, and the Southern etc is all gov't money funded. It is as evil as PP. If I'm wrong I hope someone will correct me.


110 posted on 08/15/2004 11:47:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (ou)
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To: gcruse
That's your choice, and I respect it. I choose otherwise.

Then why don't you respect the "choices" of the BSA and their supporters?

According to you life is essentially meaningless. Why don't you drop all your ideals and "values" and live as if it were? The other soulless animals, plants, rocks, etc. do so and get by quite well (they certainly aren't fretting over Jeffersonian doctrines of taxation).

Wait a minute! This isn't Richard Dawkins, is it? ;-)

111 posted on 08/15/2004 11:48:56 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: philetus
Should atheist organizations be forced to accept the religious?

If the organization was being publicly funded, yes.
If it got special deals in using public property, yes.
112 posted on 08/15/2004 11:49:34 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

And atheist youth groups "discriminate" against believers. What's your point?


113 posted on 08/15/2004 11:50:46 AM PDT by puroresu
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To: gcruse
"...as long as they aren't getting my taxes or special public privileges..."

The majority of people who donate to Scouting are people who do not itemize their taxes. Therefore, they are not tax-free donations. I feel very certain they are not getting your taxes. Your taxes are safely going into the pockets of politicians, grafters, welfare cheats, and other ne'er-do-wells, but rest assured, not to those discriminatory Scouts.

...special public privileges... So, it's okay for the Scouts to pick up the litter in the public park, but God forbid that they should then enjoy a picnic there.

114 posted on 08/15/2004 11:52:11 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Kerry’s OTC Lt. Thomas W. Wright said, "three of us told him to leave.” He was VOTED OFF the island!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Then why don't you respect the "choices" of the BSA and their supporters?

I do, I just disagree and refuse to fund them.  Discriminating against kids for religious reasons is something I can't condone.
115 posted on 08/15/2004 11:52:28 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: puroresu
And atheist youth groups "discriminate" against believers. What's your point?

Name one, if you would.  And if they are totally private it is their right.
116 posted on 08/15/2004 11:53:47 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: little jeremiah
Excellent comments, along with some others on this thread. Amazing how a slight mention of the name of God enrages some people.

What's really scare is that people who don't believe in G-d still think that right and wrong objectively exists, that they can see it, and that they have the right/duty to impose it on the rest of us, all the while telling us that life is essentially totally meaningless and that rejecting G-d sets us "free."

Did you see the opening ceremonies of the Olympics the other night, where they did the history of Greece and its legacy of rationalistic humanism? You know, the "evolution of man as a rational being" and the alleged nobility of asking "who am I? what is it all about?" even though it theoretically isn't "about" anything?

All the evils of the modern world may be traced back to classical Hellenism.

I may not be a chr*stian, but I certainly agree with Tertullian: "What has Athens to do with Jerusalem?"

117 posted on 08/15/2004 11:54:29 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: gcruse
I do, I just disagree and refuse to fund them. Discriminating against kids for religious reasons is something I can't condone.

So you admit that it's merely a subjective personal hang-up and not somehow objectivey morally wrong? Then you've taken a step forward. Your next step is to stop trying to "convert" other people to sharing your subjective moral hang-up (as if it had any objective ramifications of any kind).

::Sigh:: Why is it that people who ridicule religion claim to be such defenders of religious people from "discrimination?"

118 posted on 08/15/2004 11:57:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: gcruse
I tend to agree with you about publicly-funded organizations discriminating against groups for their beliefs.

Does your outrage extend to public schools that discriminate against Christians but not against moslems?

119 posted on 08/15/2004 11:59:02 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: 50sDad

I'm sure that a local print shop could make them up for you and if you hawked them at a local ball game you'd sell out your supply in short order.


120 posted on 08/15/2004 11:59:42 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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