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California correctional officers back study program
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 8/14/04 | Andy Furillo - Sac Bee

Posted on 08/14/2004 10:56:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (SMW) - As recently as a year ago, California correctional officers set up a picket line to shut down a college program for inmates at Ironwood State Prison. Why should convicts get a free crack at college, the union argued, when the officers' kids have to pay for it?

So when the California Correctional Peace Officers Association this year won a say at the bargaining table in evaluating whether a college program at San Quentin should be expanded, inmates rights activists and the union's legislative critics blew a fuse.

They suggested that any role the CCPOA plays in whether such programs live or die is suspect because anything that keeps inmates from coming back to prison is against the union's interest.

Enter Jody Lewen, director of the college program that CCPOA detractors asserted the union wants to kill. In her view, the CCPOA, in its contract talks with the state, has become one of her most important allies in trying to expand the program to other prisons.

(Excerpt) Read more at bakersfield.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: back; calgov2002; california; ccpoa; correctional; officers; prison; program; study

1 posted on 08/14/2004 10:56:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
They suggested that any role the CCPOA plays in whether such programs live or die is suspect because anything that keeps inmates from coming back to prison is against the union's interest.

*Snort*

Like they're going out of business?

2 posted on 08/14/2004 10:58:49 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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To: NormsRevenge

wouldn't it be cheaper just to dump the inmate program?


3 posted on 08/14/2004 10:59:58 PM PDT by GeronL (KERRY: "I went to Cambodia with the CIA and all I got was a hat")
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To: GeronL

the cost involved is minimal and they use volunteers and the benefits to society are worth it , imo.


4 posted on 08/14/2004 11:01:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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To: NormsRevenge

From what I read 25% of the Cali inmates are from other countries (ie mostly Mexico). Mexicans work cheaper. I say Cali should outsource to Mexico.


5 posted on 08/14/2004 11:02:59 PM PDT by GeronL (KERRY: "I went to Cambodia with the CIA and all I got was a hat")
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I agree, we have that invasion factor weighing very heavily on the system as well.


6 posted on 08/14/2004 11:08:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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Prison should be for punishment. There should be nothing desirable about serving prison time. The conditions of prison should be so bleak that a convict would wet himself at the thought of committing another crime.


7 posted on 08/14/2004 11:11:08 PM PDT by Ajnin
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I understand your point but prisons were also intended to rehabilitate many of those incarcerated therein, thus lessening the likelihood of detrimental effects to society upon their release.


8 posted on 08/14/2004 11:15:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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To: NormsRevenge

As I understand, the college education is free to them because it is subsidized by the federal government. I don't think this is right. In any event, I don't believe that inmates should have a free crack at education while law-abiding citizens have to pay.


9 posted on 08/14/2004 11:27:13 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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In the end, WE pay either way for almost everything that goes on today in America on either side of the bars. ;-)


10 posted on 08/14/2004 11:30:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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Which is why they should be making license plates, breaking rocks and such--a small, sweaty token effort towards paying for their room and board.


11 posted on 08/14/2004 11:32:09 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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having them pay for their own education in some way , sounds fair to me...


12 posted on 08/14/2004 11:38:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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To: Ajnin

I agree with you. The only problem is the sheer number of laws a regulations that can get you in jail.

Laws should be clear and few.

Punishments should be short and harsh.


13 posted on 08/15/2004 9:04:06 AM PDT by Anvilhead (When danger rears its ugly head, brave Sir Robin turned and fled.)
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errr laws AND regulations that can get you THROWN in jail.

sorry, fingers faster than brain.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to punish my hands by smashing them with a hammer.
14 posted on 08/15/2004 9:07:15 AM PDT by Anvilhead (When danger rears its ugly head, brave Sir Robin turned and fled.)
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To: Anvilhead

I agree with that.


15 posted on 08/15/2004 1:23:35 PM PDT by Ajnin
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