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Pilot claims Kerry committed treason
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | August 14, 2004 | PATRICK SWEENEY

Posted on 08/14/2004 2:24:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Grut

Pls see post 22, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1191399/posts?page=22#22
re Kerry.


81 posted on 08/14/2004 10:39:16 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Grut

I think I posted that #22 ping twice - pc glitches.


82 posted on 08/14/2004 10:39:59 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Grut
Kerry's testimony wasn't treasonous as the law understands the word and insisting in the face of the law that it was is lunatic fringe stuff.

I don't know how you can maintain that when his testimony was used in torture sessions by the Viet Cong to intimidate and get our POW's to "think right," when it was played over and over in the Viet Cong POW camps, and used to demoralize our POW's, etc. If that is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy, then what on earth is? When a Naval officer speaks or lies in sworn testimony against his fellow military members before the US Senate and the world, it encompasses a higher standard of accountability than in normal public speech. Nevertheless, even if Kerry had said these things to others on the street, it would fall into the category of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

We don't need to know or understand Kerry's motives here (as liberals put the case when there is wrongdoing). We need just his words. In this case, the effect also shouts down through the decades.

83 posted on 08/14/2004 10:57:08 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: sweetliberty
Any mention of it yet in the elite media, other than to condemn "Unfit for Command?"

I read a thread on FR about some dude at ABC who actually did a rather unbiased review of it. Can't recall his name (Mark somebody?).

84 posted on 08/14/2004 11:01:28 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Grut
but my point was that it's settled law that the "aid and comfort" has to be pretty material, not just something that makes the enemy feel good or that he can use for his own purposes. We're talking about, for instance, providing him with supplies, or money, or information of immediate military use.

What is this law and where does one find a copy of it?

85 posted on 08/14/2004 11:03:43 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: SC Swamp Fox
You could avoid shipping charges and the hassle at your local hide-the-truth-bookseller by buying Unfit for Command and Reckless Disregard (by Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson) together (or any other of the hot new truth books) at Amazon.com; to avoid shipping, order has to be $25+.
86 posted on 08/14/2004 11:06:35 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Grut

Kerry's "testimony" also demoralized armed forces (who were not POW's) still fighting the war he protested. How is that not giving aid and comfort to the enemy?


87 posted on 08/14/2004 11:11:29 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"John Kerry was in Vietnam," Kayser said. "He saw what was happening, and he made his comments based on what he saw."

Guess that's why he's backed down when he's been pressed to support his previous comments about what he claimed to have seen. Kerry is a liar and a fraud.

88 posted on 08/14/2004 11:15:49 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: shezza
Kerry was a commissioned officer in the Naval Reserve during his anti-war days in 1970-1972, and remained in the Reserves until 1978.

I wonder if anyone knows the status of his security clearance. I could imagine that meeting N Vietnamese officials in Paris would have been grounds for immediate revocation of said clearance if he had it.

89 posted on 08/14/2004 11:30:39 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the American Way)
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To: secretagent
I hope see 10 letters a day to "Incoming", once this takes off.

We get more than that, but I haven't got time to publish and answer them all, so I just pick off a few I find particularly interesting now and then.

In fact, I just added one about half an hour ago.

90 posted on 08/14/2004 11:36:50 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: secretagent
He may not be, but the article writer did. Everything Kerry has actually explained in detail is hearsay. Which in 1971 he did not present as hearsay, but as authentic veteran testimony. And the article writer repeats this move.

Understand, there weren't any atrocities to report. He and his commie buddies made them up out of whole cloth. Then they all point around to each other as the sources and nod their heads. Then they claim they can't be questioned because they were there - when on detailed examination they don't claim any different witness status to the acts in question than you or me.

Kerry says whatever he thinks sounds good to the people in front of him at the time, fitting their expectations to his political imagination of where the white and black hats are - or where he'd like the audience to think they are. He is unconstrained in this process by any actual facts. He continually gets into trouble because of it, if and when anyone tracks down said facts. Then he hides in "nuance" - sophistic deconstructionist hair splitting.

91 posted on 08/15/2004 8:45:10 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Understand, there weren't any atrocities to report.

I can't agree. I'll bet Calley's group didn't commit the only atrocities. Whether any true whistleblowers made it to the "Winter Soldier Investigation", I don't know.

He and his commie buddies made them up out of whole cloth.

I tend to agree with you, but have no debunking evidence at hand, other than a letter to wintersoldier.com that looks pretty convincing about WSI witness Joe Bangert.

A beginning there, with one WSI witness. Much more work to do.

Kerry says whatever he thinks sounds good to the people in front of him at the time, fitting their expectations to his political imagination of where the white and black hats are - or where he'd like the audience to think they are. He is unconstrained in this process by any actual facts.

He does feel threatened by losing his hero reputation, both as a warrior and an "anti-warrior. If facts get known that threaten his rep, then he feels constrained by them, and:

Then he hides in "nuance" - sophistic deconstructionist hair splitting.

92 posted on 08/15/2004 7:07:10 PM PDT by secretagent
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