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Official: Charley's Death Toll to Climb [Stacks Of Bodies at Mobile Home Park]
Yahoo News ^ | 8/14/04 | ALLEN G. BREED,

Posted on 08/14/2004 1:42:49 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: ican'tbelieveit
Those of us who live in coastal areas know, or should know, that hurricane prediction is not an exact science, and that storms can and do "jag" at the last moment.

We also know that storms can cause significant damage in areas they aren't "supposed" to hit.

Since you're in Colorado, you may not know these things. I wouldn't know a whole lot about living through blizzards and whatever other weather hazards you have.

However, having lived nearly 50 years within 40 miles of the ocean, I know that blaming the weather forecasters and emergency officials for this is just plain ignorant.

81 posted on 08/14/2004 4:54:10 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Strategerist

Then why don't you, the next time you see this happen, go down and insist those people evacuate. Go door to door.


82 posted on 08/14/2004 4:54:52 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: dawn53

See post 48.

have you heard any reports this morning from the east Coast of Florida?


83 posted on 08/14/2004 4:55:13 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (swimming through the blogosphere)
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To: leadpenny

They expected Charlie (just like a man - gives you a line and then does something else - fickle!) to go in at Tampa Clearwater and it made a sudden turn on them.

The people should have been prepared for this eventuality but we have gotten so use to believing the weather man and his predicted paths, that we forget nature does it's own thing and we can't control it.


84 posted on 08/14/2004 4:55:41 AM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: Amelia

That isn't my point. My point is not to sit here and start being a 20/20 perfect in hindsight poster. That is infuriating. "I would have known better, I would have done better, how come those families didn't move their elderly loved ones out."

It is not the time or place.


85 posted on 08/14/2004 4:56:14 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: dixie sass

dixie, I specifically heard Greg Kelly on Fox News confirm that officials in Punta Gorda were using the phrase "stacks of bodies". Prayers for your son, brother, uncles and their families. I'm sure that the area is experiencing severe communication problems and hope you hear from them soon.


86 posted on 08/14/2004 4:57:40 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: ican'tbelieveit
If anyone is to fault in this, it would be the media for not persisting in getting people out of the area.

If I lived in a trailer park on the FL coast, and had a hurricane warning for twenty-four hours, I would be long gone.

It has nothing to do with the "media", and it's nobody's fault except those who chose to stay behind.

87 posted on 08/14/2004 4:58:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Many will kill for socialism, few will die for it.)
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To: walford

This storm was predicted to come ashore as a cat 2 at the most. No one forsaw the storm making the turn nor the fact that it would increase in strength.


88 posted on 08/14/2004 4:58:43 AM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: ican'tbelieveit; Strategerist
Having lived in NC & Fla on several occasions, I think following news guidelines is helpful, but when we saw one of these babies was heading out way, we turned off all utilities, packed up & took a 4-5 day "vacation" inland. Didn't wait for mobs of people on highway for evacs.

If it passed over, PTL.. we had a nice time away. Most of the time this was the case. Better safe than sorry.

Thanks for all your input. This is a time of frustration & sorrow for many. It seems these large storms are so unpredictable.

A couple more on the way it seems.

Prayers & God's grace for all families affected by injury, death, damage to self or loved ones.
89 posted on 08/14/2004 4:58:45 AM PDT by DollyCali (First one to notice new tag line gets $10,000 when I win the lottery ~~winner GabZ .)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

It's obvious you need someone to blame, but it's nobody's fault. Predicting the weather is not an exact science. Hurricane warnings were up, but landfall was supposed to be further north, in the Tampa/Clearwater area, based on historical models. Unless a person is clairvoyant, that person cannot predict what a hurricane will do minute to minute with the absolute precision you demand.


90 posted on 08/14/2004 5:01:06 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw

I am not blaming anyone. Go back and read what I wrote. I am saying this is tragic and asking others to stop blaming and being harsh in this time.


91 posted on 08/14/2004 5:02:14 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: dixie sass

"The people should have been prepared for this eventuality but we have gotten so use to believing the weather man and his predicted paths, that we forget nature does it's own thing and we can't control it."

You are so right, and when it's over the people either complain that they weren't warned strongly enough or if they are lucky and it's not bad, they complain that the news people made too big a deal of it. I'm sure it's very hard to get it exactly right, that's what makes "prediction" so difficult.


92 posted on 08/14/2004 5:02:45 AM PDT by mean lunch lady (Sometimes- the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.)
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To: Crazieman

That's nothing to what Hugo did. Hugo cut a swath thru 13 counties and I've forgotten how many states and went on into Canada strew death and destruction everywhere both during and after.

By the way most deaths are after the storm during clean up because people don't use common sense safety measures.


93 posted on 08/14/2004 5:02:48 AM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: RightWinger

Hey RightWinger - We learned hard lessons from Hugo, didn't we?


94 posted on 08/14/2004 5:06:18 AM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Sorry.

I just hope to heck people in the path of this monster--even though it's weakened--get out of its way.

95 posted on 08/14/2004 5:07:43 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Quilla

Punta Gorda is to the south of where the storm was supposed to hit. They had no idea that it was coming in there.


96 posted on 08/14/2004 5:07:44 AM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Keep remarks like that off this thread or your stay here will be short. Thanks.


97 posted on 08/14/2004 5:07:54 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: dixie sass
(just like a man - gives you a line and then does something else - fickle!)

hmmmm . . . . Who might we have in mind?

98 posted on 08/14/2004 5:08:58 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: ican'tbelieveit
My point is not to sit here and start being a 20/20 perfect in hindsight poster. That is infuriating....It is not the time or place.

And my point is that trying to cast blame on anyone besides the people who didn't listen to the evacuation orders, as you have been doing, is ignorant.

99 posted on 08/14/2004 5:09:41 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: kattracks

It seems the forecasters had projected a different course---more northerly toward Tampa. Instead, the hurricane changed course eastward and hit an area that initially thought they would escape it.

FoxNews said there are at least 2 mobile home parks in the Punta Gorda area that were destroyed.


100 posted on 08/14/2004 5:11:28 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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