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Official: Charley's Death Toll to Climb [Stacks Of Bodies at Mobile Home Park]
Yahoo News ^ | 8/14/04 | ALLEN G. BREED,

Posted on 08/14/2004 1:42:49 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: WoodstockCat
I hate to say it but I'm afraid some people down there believed it to be no more than a Cat 2 that they could ride out in a mobile home.

Any idea why zoning in those areas allows for mobile homes? It doesn't seem logical to have them in areas that get hit by hurricanes.

281 posted on 08/14/2004 6:55:49 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: BobS
May your future clouds contain only rainbows.


282 posted on 08/14/2004 6:57:45 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: The_Victor

He has done that - and I just saw his statement on FNC. But he needs to get down there with his brother and go to the damage site, pass out water bottles, whatever. Yes, I know its crass - but that's politics, and he has to show he's connected to this disaster.


283 posted on 08/14/2004 6:58:18 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: familyop
Trailer park residents didn't have the sense to evacuate?

It seems that would have only made sense --- even if you had to go inland and rent a motel for the night --- or go inland and stay in your car.

284 posted on 08/14/2004 7:00:02 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: mean lunch lady
Read "The Storm of the Century," about the Florida Keys Labor Day Storm of 1935 (killed about 600). Also "Isaac's Storm," about the Galveston Gale of 1900 (killed 8000). In both cases there were many warnings about storms and the blame was placed on the forecasters for not telling the victims how bad it would be. Now the warnings could have been better, but forecasting was an even more inexact art in 1900 and 1935 and it certainly seems to me that any warning at all should have been heeded. But no, it was the forecaster's fault for not telling them how bad it would be (just as an aside, I think the critics were right about the inadequate warnings of 1900, but wrong to place any blame on the NWS for the 1935 disaster).

The lesson I hope all along the Atlantic and Gulf Coast will learn is prepare for the worst possible scenario. You will evacuate needlessly several times in your life, but that is far better than ending up like those Bonus Marchers on the Keys, the residents of Galveston, the hurricane partiers at the Richelieu Apartments in Gulf Shores, or - our newest object lesson - those unfortunates in the trailer park in Punta Gorda.

However, if you choose to remain in your homes despite warnings, I for one will have little sympathy for your complaints that the forecasters never told you how bad it would be. The predicted paths have ranges and probability fields for a reason. Newspapers publish predicted paths as lines because that is easy, but the National Hurricane Center has been providing strike probability maps for years. They also provide predicted wind strength ranges. All the storms people complained about recently - Hugo, Andrew and Charley to name a few - were within the prediction ranges both in track and strength (albeit in the very upper range on the strength predictions). If you are anywhere in the predicted strike probability cone published by the NHC, you are on notice. Either evacuate or live with the consequences. Don't blame the forecaster.
285 posted on 08/14/2004 7:00:05 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Rebelbase

400 yards? that is huge, we have some similar breaks happen on the long island barrier island, but nothing that big.


286 posted on 08/14/2004 7:00:10 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: elfman2
Mosquitoes were going nuts too.

We keep our boat "Hot Line" over at Garden Cove, MM106 ocean side.

287 posted on 08/14/2004 7:01:23 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: LBelle

Same, our place in Key Largo is concrete block with a concrete roof. We stay at a Cat 2, shelter at Mariners Hospital if higher.


288 posted on 08/14/2004 7:01:58 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: walford

Wow! Thanks for those graphics.


289 posted on 08/14/2004 7:02:38 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: oceanview

**But he needs to get down there with his brother and go to the damage site, pass out water bottles, whatever**

Good idea, tie up resources with the secret service securing the area for a presidential visit. NOT! The best thing W can do is what he did, releasing federal funds and staying out of the way so the rescue workers and others can do their jobs. W can visit the area when they have things under control. If he went now, the media would have lots of stories on how he hampered rescue efforts by being in the way.


290 posted on 08/14/2004 7:02:55 AM PDT by LBelle
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

I live in Florida and was originally expected to get the winds and rain from this storm before it took the turn.
This WAS exactly as they predicted. The officials said over and over that this was a DEADLY storm, the worst since Donna, and had to be taken seriously.
If this storm hit Tampa it would have been devistating, more so than it was.
I am praying for those that are directly affected, but thank God for sparing the Tampa area.


291 posted on 08/14/2004 7:04:09 AM PDT by maridee
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To: elfman2

I will sound like a real diva, but honestly, I'd rather leave and go somewhere with a/c until things get back under control. The heat of the past few days has been unbelievable, and to endure it without a/c sounds like zero fun to me.


292 posted on 08/14/2004 7:05:56 AM PDT by LBelle
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To: LBelle

elected officials, even presidents, routinely visit (or "tour") these types of disaster areas. Bush went to the WTC a few days after 9-11, it can't be harder to secure a location for a visit in florida then it was in lower manhattan after a terrorist attack.


293 posted on 08/14/2004 7:07:28 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BobS
It is best to get away from structures and lay flat to the ground. Yes, you will get filthy and wet, but you will survive.

That seems how they do it in some of those poorer islands -- a guy I know who grew up in Barbados said they would do that -- their houses were made of grass and they would lay on the floor until the storm passed --- sometimes their houses were gone but it seems a grass house wouldn't be too costly to replace. Mobile homes might be more modern but when a strong storm comes, the only thing you should do is get someplace else.

294 posted on 08/14/2004 7:10:34 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: oceanview

I agree, but he doesn't need to go there TODAY, which was how I interpreted the other poster's message.

Personally, I think all of this wailing about the president visiting any disaster site is just indicitave of the nanny state. We all know Clinton loved any disaster site or funeral for that matter, but honestly, what can the president see by going there and tying everything up that he can't see by video? People need to get a grip about the president being everywhere to "feel our pain." Better he take action by signing a disaster declaration and making a phone call than getting in the way.


295 posted on 08/14/2004 7:10:45 AM PDT by LBelle
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To: ican'tbelieveit
BTW, if we want to dedicate a thread for Floridians affected by this storm I have no problem with that ... we just need to label it as such. Many people are on this thread that don't live anywhere near it. Me, for instance, in Los Angeles.

I do not mean any disrespect by posting here but lets be clear if this is a private thread.

296 posted on 08/14/2004 7:11:01 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: kattracks

Mobile homes are a death trap in a hurricane or tornado. They aren't called mobile for nothing......


297 posted on 08/14/2004 7:11:09 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: oceanview

I've never understood why people want elected officials, especially well known elected officials to tour an area after a natural disaster.

What the area needs is rescue efforts, people moving in to bring shelter, food, water and medical assistance. Construction equipment to start coming in to remove debris, FPL to move their trucks and men in to start picking up downed power lines and restore power to areas that are safe to to have it.

The last thing the people in the area need is to be shut off while someone "tours" the area. Gov. Bush will be going down to the area. There is no reason for President Bush to come down here now.


298 posted on 08/14/2004 7:12:55 AM PDT by Brytani (Stop, hey, what's that sound, it's just John Kerry flip-flopping around!!!)
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To: OXENinFLA
"IT LOOKS LIKE A CAT4 HURRICANE JUST CAME THROUGH THERE!............"

Although I believe there is a lot of similarity between the appearance of a war zone and a zone through which a Cat 4 or 5 has passed through.

299 posted on 08/14/2004 7:13:59 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: FITZ

Sanibel mayor just requested National Guard help.

Aftermath photos: at this link: http://www.news-press.com/news/weather/hurricane/index.html


300 posted on 08/14/2004 7:16:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Bush is Hell on liberals and terrorists.)
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