Welcome to G-Bob's world. G-Bob hails from sunny California, near Berkeley. He loves reading the SF Chronicle and left-wing blogs. G-Bob listens to Pacifica Radio and NPR. G-Bob also takes a keen interest in the Kurds, the Iraqi war, and has a special interest in John Kerry's SBV problem.
On this thread G-Bob starts at post 107 by asking an seemingly innocent question and says he's one of us but he's worried. Post 114 from Remington Rebel tells G-Bob to go research it himself. Posts 139, 151, 153: G-Bob makes an unsupported accusation into a fact. He insists that Thurlow will blow up in the SBV's faces. Post 156 and 161 becomes condescending.
Post 168 is funny, "Guys you're sounding like a bunch of liberals...the Swifties have to be purer than Caesar's wife..."
Post 172 was the best "I have NOT READ THE REPORTS."
But wait, there's more than one thread on the G-Bob Train:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191093/posts?page=198#198 (Backlash of Kerry claims The Examiner Posted on 08/13/2004 1:28:51 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16)
To: NavySEAL F-16
Could someone please answer a Swift boat question for me? It's regarding the incident where Kerry received his bronze star and Rassman fell off the boat. What's the story on enemy fire?
I've seen on some lefty blogs that Thurlow also received a bronze star for his actions that day. Did his citation mention enemy fire?
I would greatly appreciate some info on what the story is here. If Thurlow's citation mentioned enemy fire and now they are claiming there was none I think that this is pretty bad. But if that's not the case please let me know. Thanks
151 posted on 08/13/2004 6:30:57 PM PDT by G-Bob
To: G-Bob
I've seen on some lefty blogs that Thurlow also received a bronze star for his actions that day.
I didn't mention Thurlow's name in my post to you.
I would take with a grain of salt if the only reference you have for Thurlow is from some lefty blog.
159 posted on 08/13/2004 7:32:39 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
To: NavySEAL F-16
I would take with a grain of salt if the only reference you have for Thurlow is from some lefty blog.
I do, that's why I'm asking the question. But if Thurlow's Bronze Star citation mentions enemy fire it's not good and I would question what's going on here.
162 posted on 08/13/2004 8:14:12 PM PDT by G-Bob
Repeating G-Bob's answer, “I do [take an unsubstantiated accusation from a lefty blog seriously], that’s why I am asking the question..."
To: G-Bob
Here's some background on Thurlow.
BUCHANAN: All right, John, but, look, this raises a question. Why would this fellow, Thurlow and Jack Chenoweth and these fellows—and Jack Thurlow is apparently a real hero who grabbed that sinking boat, if you will, why did they sit still while Kerry goes and picks up all these medals?
O‘NEILL: Because—oh, they didn‘t know.
What actually happened, Pat, was they actually looked and they saw the advertisement even that Kerry had in January and February and they thought it was some other incident. It was so completely different than what they were involved in, they thought it had to be something else. When they learned that it was related to the incident where the 3 boat was mined, they were shocked. They were just sickened, because the things were portraying them as fleeing and they were the guys that stayed.
And it portrayed Kerry as the hero, when he was the guy that fled. It turned the world upside down. That‘s why they have all come forward one at a time, appeared on television and told their story. It‘s just the world turned upside down.
THURLOW: For one thing, I did not know that John had been put in for a Bronze Star, a Silver Star or, for that matter, a Purple Heart on that day. I did not see the after-action report, which, in fact, was written by John. And as the years went by, John was not running for the highest office in the free world.
I also ended up in the water that day during the rescue efforts on the 3-boat (ph). And my boat, the 51-boat (ph), came up, picked me up, business as usual. I got back on board, went about the business at hand.
I received no fire. But the thing I would like to ask is, we have five boats now, John's returning, and four boats basically dead in the water, working on the 3-boat (ph). If we were receiving fire off the bank, how come not one single boat received one bullet hole, nobody was hit, no sign of any rounds hitting the water while I was in it?
WOODRUFF: What about Mr. Rassmann's point that he thinks you're doing this for partisan purposes?
THURLOW: Well, this is not true because, the fact of the matter is, I have not been active in any political party since I got out of the service. In fact, I basically turned my back on politics because of my experience in the service.
WOODRUFF: But this -- you feel strongly enough about this to be out?
THURLOW: I certainly do. My point is, is that John Kerry, because of the actions he's taken, and then the fantastic stories he made up about this, when many people beside myself know this not to be true, negates him being the leader he claims to be. And I would hate to have him be the commander-in-chief over my grandchildren.
163 posted on 08/13/2004 8:53:00 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
[Repeating "THURLOW: For one thing, I did not know that John had been put in for a Bronze Star, a Silver Star or, for that matter, a Purple Heart on that day. I did not see the after-action report, which, in fact, was written by John." Notice this point that John Kerry wrote the after-action reports goes over G-Bob's head. Thurlow has no control over his award because HE WASN'T SEEKING AN AWARD, unlike Kerry. Whatever is written in Thurlow's citation was not written by Thurlow but probably by Kerry.]
To: NavySEAL F-16
That still doesn't answer my question.
I've read that too. And in that interview Thurlow says that they were receiving no enemy fire. “I received no fire. But the thing I would like to ask is, we have five boats now, John's returning, and four boats basically dead in the water, working on the 3-boat (ph). If we were receiving fire off the bank, how come not one single boat received one bullet hole, nobody was hit, no sign of any rounds hitting the water while I was in it?“
My question still is did Thurlow's citation for the Bronze Star that he was awarded for his actions that day, mention enemy fire?
169 posted on 08/13/2004 9:32:01 PM PDT by G-Bob
To: BIGLOOK
I'm not talking about Kerry, I'm talking about Thurlow.
Does his Bronze Star Citation mention enemy fire? If it does and he is now claiming there was no enemy fire then you can put a fork in this thing.
If Thurlow's citation mentions enemy fire, but he's telling the truth now, then he accepted an award under false pretenses. If there was enemy fire then he's lying now.
It's a big deal guys.
175 posted on 08/13/2004 9:58:23 PM PDT by G-Bob
To: NavySEAL F-16
It appears to me that the only answer you are looking for is the one that confirms your lefty sites. I hope I am wrong but my guess is you are rooting for Kerry.
I'm looking for the truth and to claim that this somehow makes me a Kerry supporter would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
I don't want to see this thing blow up in our faces. It's doesn't matter to me what Thurlow is saying now about enemy fire it matters to me what his Bronze Star citation said then, and it should matter to all of you too.
198 posted on 08/14/2004 4:49:51 PM PDT by G-Bob
Appears to me that G-Bob is subversively cleverl. There is no point to his accusations but the accusation itself is given the illusion of reality by virtue of G-Bob's assurance that his unfounded accusation is a grave matter.