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CHARLEY BECOMES A (CATEGORY 4 Now!!) HURRICANE (18 ft. storm surge)
NHC ^ | 08-13-2004 | Forecaster Lawrence

Posted on 08/13/2004 10:08:09 AM PDT by Jeff400000

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To: PleaseNoMore

Sea Surface Temperature Maps:

https://128.160.23.54/products/K10/caribbeank10.gif
(Gulf of Mexico)

http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/natlanti.c.gif
(Georgia to Nova Scotia)

If the storm stays over the Gulf Stream it will have no problem strengthening a bit. I believe the water off the East Coast is cooler than average this year but the temps are warm enough to support and strengthen a hurricane.


2,641 posted on 08/13/2004 11:57:30 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: nwctwx

I pretty much agree with your post...Tampa was emphasized because of its large population...because, it takes a lot more time to evac the endangered people in Hillsbourgh (sp?) and Pinellas (sp? again) Co. than in other areas. But it should have been conveyed that ANYONE in the warned area...especially if you were under mandatory evac orders...should get out. Like I said earlier, broadcast media tends to focus on "precise" landfall points rather than ranges...and this is a mistake.

The west coast of FL has the potential to have the largest storm surges of anywhere on the eastern or gulf coasts...due to the shallow continental shelf offshore. Luckily, they are not climatologicaly favored for a major hurricane hit. The last two major hurricanes to hit Tampa were 1960 and 1921. Unfortunately, today we beat climatology due to the east coast trough. For the storm surge potential alone, media should have been casting a wider net then focusing on Tampa. But, again, due to the long evac time for Tampa metro...I am not going to second guess them on that one. However, they should always point out that if you are under mandatory evac order...you should leave! Ft. Myers and Pt. Charlotte were under these orders for 29 hrs. before landfall...which is plenty of time.


2,642 posted on 08/14/2004 12:01:50 AM PDT by wxdawg
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To: wxdawg

The remains of the Blossom Florist Shop are scattered across the sidewalk and Marion Avenue in downtown Punta Gorda in the aftermath of Hurricane Charley's devastating path Friday afternoon.

A Royal Palm tree collapsed into this Landmark Realty office building during Hurricane Charley's path Friday afternoon through Punta Gorda.

Is that a Boston Whaler? Didnt sink!

A road on Fort Myers Beach is washed away be Hurricane Charley


2,643 posted on 08/14/2004 12:02:08 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: wxdawg
Check your latest radar and satellite images...

Is the eye breaking up?

2,644 posted on 08/14/2004 12:07:43 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: nwctwx

Agree..the supply of warm water is no problem for Charley. Wind shear, however, is a problem. So far though...still a tight circulation w/ little disorganization (for a storm that has crossed the FL peninsula)...so, I would still bet on some strengthening.


2,645 posted on 08/14/2004 12:08:14 AM PDT by wxdawg
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To: BurbankKarl

Oh my gosh....


2,646 posted on 08/14/2004 12:11:42 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (If only hamsters could vote.......)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Yea, just noticed that the eye has become more disorganized in the last few images....could just be a short term trend...the next couple of hours should clue us in. If the eye continues being very ragged...may just make landfall as a Cat 1....if we see a narrowing of the eye again...a sure sign of regained strength. Keep in mind though, that the storm is moving further away from the JAX radar...could be an artifact of that. Aircraft recon observations will help in the next few hours.


2,647 posted on 08/14/2004 12:12:54 AM PDT by wxdawg
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To: BurbankKarl
Actually, if you look past the damage that the photographer was documenting, you can see a lot of trees, buildings, power lines, ect. still standing.

That does not remind me of pictures I have seen from Andrew and Hugo.

2,648 posted on 08/14/2004 12:14:51 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Yes, I know. The news on the west coast just brushed over any news on this storm. A lot of people didnt know anything about it.


2,649 posted on 08/14/2004 12:15:28 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: wxdawg

I am stuck at work so I can't read thru the whole thread. Can anyone give me a sitrep on the area just north of Orlando? My brother in law and family are riding it out down there.


2,650 posted on 08/14/2004 12:15:30 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/terroristscorecard/">Terrorist Scorecard</a>)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Based on satellite, does look like the eyewall has weakened...have to see if this trend continues over the next couple of hours.


2,651 posted on 08/14/2004 12:15:34 AM PDT by wxdawg
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To: wxdawg
I'll have to check that out in the morning....It's way past my bedtime.

Good night, all.

2,652 posted on 08/14/2004 12:20:18 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: wxdawg

Whoa, the radar just updated...check out that last image.


2,653 posted on 08/14/2004 12:21:38 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Defintely looks like an eyewall weakening from JAX radar...wind shear might be finally getting to Charley.


2,654 posted on 08/14/2004 12:22:54 AM PDT by wxdawg
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To: nwctwx
Near as I could read, H. Charley is ovr 30 degree C water now in Atlantic, and can ride that most of the way to SC/NC.

From the maps, it was just over 31 degree C right where it ballooned into Cat 4.

It would be better if the water in question that H. Charley is over or near was all 25 C or less.

Though it is a narrow band of 31 C off GA/SC/NC, it is still extremely warm water and probably the GulfStream.

However, once North of Washington, DC, the water cools significantly (sigh).

Come morning, things will be heating up in terms of the Sun generating energy for the Storm, so this is a bad scenario for SC/NC. It would have better to hit SC/NC now when the temps are low, and the sun is about to come up -- end of the heating cycle -- rather than middle. (last projection was 8PM tomorrow, which is very bad news -- alot of heat generated by that part of the day).

Everything I have seen is that this storm will have no trouble finding water vapor to draw into it.

The earlier prediction of becoming Cat 2 when it hits land may, unfortunately, come true.

I still think prayer is the only answer.

(As well as proper preparation for a Cat 3 -- worse case scenario -- hopefully -- and hope for Cat 1 or less).

2,655 posted on 08/14/2004 12:24:18 AM PDT by topher
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To: wxdawg
Yea, just noticed that the eye has become more disorganized in the last few images....could just be a short term trend...the next couple of hours should clue us in. If the eye continues being very ragged...may just make landfall as a Cat 1....if we see a narrowing of the eye again...a sure sign of regained strength. Keep in mind though, that the storm is moving further away from the JAX radar...could be an artifact of that. Aircraft recon observations will help in the next few hours.

NOAA has option to view Short Range Reflect and Long Range.

When I select Savannah, GA, I get the Charleston, SC map, and I am able to select the Long Range Reflect. But I have not done that since about 12:30AM EDT.

2,656 posted on 08/14/2004 12:26:43 AM PDT by topher
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To: Straight Vermonter

The outer band of Hurricane Charley makes its way across downtown Orlando.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/weather/orl-bk-charley-timeline081304,0,4603878.story?coll=orl-home-specialbreaking

2,657 posted on 08/14/2004 12:32:34 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: topher

Eye has opened up on the SE side according to satellite. Just have to hope this is more than a short term trend. In any case, the warned areas of SC/NC should prepare for a Cat 2 storm.

Thanks y'all for a great intro to FR. Sorry it wasn't under better circumstances. I am off to bed...everyone have a good night...


2,658 posted on 08/14/2004 12:36:06 AM PDT by wxdawg
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To: BurbankKarl

Yowzers!!!!


2,659 posted on 08/14/2004 12:37:07 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (If only hamsters could vote.......)
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To: BurbankKarl

Daytona reports 80% power outages


2,660 posted on 08/14/2004 12:38:32 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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