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To: Shermy
My guess is that they must have some proof of a mission in January, or David Brinkly couldn't come out with a revision based on Kerry's journals.

The bombing of Cambodia started on March 9, 1969, so it makes sense that there might have been some secret intelligence gathering missions into Cambodia prior to that.

Perhaps that was the subject of the meeting with Adm. Zumwalt on Jan 22, 1969.

It may turn out that he carried some CIA agent up the river who was on his way to Cambodia, and dropped him off 40-50 miles short of the border.

One way or the other, the truth will come out. If it turns out that Kerry and Brinkly are making up new lies to cover the old lies, then I think it will have a big negative impact on Kerry. On the other hand, if they do prove the Cambodia story, it will be used by the Kerry side to bash the SwiftVets for Truth guys into the ground.

174 posted on 08/12/2004 8:15:51 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11; Peach
One way or the other, the truth will come out. If it turns out that Kerry and Brinkly are making up new lies to cover the old lies, then I think it will have a big negative impact on Kerry. On the other hand, if they do prove the Cambodia story, it will be used by the Kerry side to bash the SwiftVets for Truth guys into the ground.

Yep.

179 posted on 08/12/2004 8:17:49 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: rocklobster11
It may turn out that he carried some CIA agent up the river who was on his way to Cambodia, and dropped him off 40-50 miles short of the border.

You're dreaming! Why would they give an assignment like that to Kerry, who was already id'ed as being "unfit for command"??

194 posted on 08/12/2004 8:22:19 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: rocklobster11
Yeah, that's right. Never reveal the real missions by which one could legitimately claim to be a true war hero, thereby effectively rebutting all criticism. Hell, if they were actually true, you might have 1/2 the people on this board voting for the guy.

No, instead, for 35 years, spin crazy yarns about the Kerry Kristmas Kambodian Kaper, instead of just blowing away the opposition with documented secret missions.

Even my dad, who had high-level security clearances during his cold-warrior days, felt compelled to tell me a few of his secrets after he'd been retired for a few years. A loon like Kerry would have spilled the beans 30 years ago if they had any basis in reality.

213 posted on 08/12/2004 8:33:49 PM PDT by lemura
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To: rocklobster11
My guess is that they must have some proof of a mission in January, or David Brinkly couldn't come out with a revision based on Kerry's journals.

O'Neill wants to see Kerry's journals in the worst way. More than likely, they would prove that he was delusional. There could be no other source for Brinkley's assertion than Kerry and perhaps his journals. I wonder if the crew would go along with such BS stories. At the risk of repeating myself, anyone tasking Kerry would have to go through his superiors. Moreover, it would have to be more than one boat and a PCF would not be the vehicle of choice.

The bombing of Cambodia started on March 9, 1969, so it makes sense that there might have been some secret intelligence gathering missions into Cambodia prior to that.

Any operation of that magnitude would have to involve ADM Hoffmann and LCDR Elliott. If they said it didn't happen in terms of ferrying operatives into Cambodia using PCFs, are we to draw the conclusion that Kerry was dealing directly with the CIA, et. al. This scenario is worthy of Secret Squirrel or a Peter Seller's movie.

On the other hand, if they do prove the Cambodia story, it will be used by the Kerry side to bash the SwiftVets for Truth guys into the ground.

Unfit for Command mentions the XMAS in Cambodia story and Kerry's testimony on the Senate floor saying it was seared into his memory. Now Kerry/Brinkley are moving the goal posts and fabricating another story. It will be up to them to prove it and not the SBVFT to disprove. Brinkley has a vested interest in trying to protect his reputation as a serious historian. I am hard pressed to figure out how they are going to prove it aside from Kerry's journals and his Stepford Band of Brothers.

224 posted on 08/12/2004 8:39:22 PM PDT by kabar
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