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Novell Moves to Dismiss With Prejudice
Groklaw ^ | 10 August 2004 | Pamela Jones

Posted on 08/11/2004 10:06:02 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Here is Novell's Motion to Dismiss, the Memorandum in Support of the Motion to Dismiss, the Declaration of Bruce Lowry and the Declaration of David E. Melaugh, plus their Motion for Leave to File an Overlength Memorandum and the Order granting them leave. Lots to read, but the first two may take a few more minutes to show up on the server.

I suggest you start with the declarations and then the ExParte Motion to File an Overlength Memorandum, and then the Motion to Dismiss and then the Memorandum. And I wrote that before I knew that the Motion and Memorandum would turn out to be the last to show up.

What I see is that they are telling the judge several things:

The Motion to Dismiss is short and sweet: SCO's complaint, they say, should be denied for failure to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. That's legalese for: "This case is ridiculous." SCO claims Novell slandered them, but they can't prevail because:



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux; novell; sco

1 posted on 08/11/2004 10:06:03 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Knitebane; zeugma; Bush2000; Golden Eagle; antiRepublicrat; GeorgiaFreeper; Salo

SCO grist for the mill


2 posted on 08/11/2004 10:07:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Nick Danger; adam_az

SCO ping


3 posted on 08/11/2004 10:09:09 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

You would think that with all the license agreements involved it would be clear who owns the copyright for Unix, but that would be a wrong assumption. Consider ksh (a standard shell distributed with Unix). AT&T still retains copyright on ksh, and many standard shell commands and utilities. Go figure.


4 posted on 08/11/2004 11:06:02 AM PDT by rit
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Got root?


5 posted on 08/11/2004 12:34:02 PM PDT by rdb3 ("The Republican Party is the ship and all else is the sea." ---Frederick Douglass)
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To: rit
You would think that with all the license agreements involved it would be clear who owns the copyright for Unix, but that would be a wrong assumption.
There is one other thing that struck me as I worked on the transcript. I like to do that myself, when I can't understand a legal document fully. Then it hit me. If it is unclear whether a copyright transfer happened, my understanding is that the prior owner, in this case, Novell, remains the owner. Copyrights can't transfer without a sufficient writing, so if the judge dismisses on the basis that the APA plus Amendment A are insufficient and they didn't transfer the copyright or it's not clear that they did, that's the ball game as far as ownership, and SCO can't do a thing about copyright infringement without a copyright. They'd have to do something to try to get ownership, and there you are, back in the loop, with Lanham Act claims heading right at them.

6 posted on 08/11/2004 12:58:45 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (http://scaryjohnkerry.com/)
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To: TechJunkYard
Let me clarify that it would be a wrong assumption is meant towards third parties not party to the numerous licenses involved. Back in the day, when it was announced that Novell purchased USL, I presumed Novell secured ownership rights exclusively for Unix and its components (including ksh commands and utilities which were normally distributed with UnixWare). Yet, AT&T stills owns and licenses the shell commands and utilities source code. This may be based on different source code, but it does make one ponder what exactly was included in the licenses.
7 posted on 08/11/2004 1:15:12 PM PDT by rit
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To: ShadowAce

Interesting read.


8 posted on 08/11/2004 1:27:07 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: rit
.. I presumed Novell secured ownership rights exclusively for Unix and its components (including ksh commands and utilities which were normally distributed with UnixWare). Yet, AT&T stills owns and licenses the shell commands and utilities source code.

I suspect that the actual, real situation with Unix licensing and copyrights is an unholy mess. Ransom Love said it was "full of other companies' copyrights". I think that a real examination of this issue might require the USL/BSDi stuff be unsealed, and nobody wants to open that can of worms.

I was kind of disappointed that Novell doesn't seem to want to push the 204(a) issue any further than this, while the case is in federal court anyway, but that would tie up the IBM/RH/AZ actions even longer. SCOG's SoT suit being dismissed for lack of malice (the amended complaint will likely fail for special damages as the original did) would probably have an effect similar to an outright ruling that Novell's still got the jewels. The fact is that Judge Kimball has already ruled that SCOG hasn't shown that the SYSV rights flowed to them through the amended APA, and that's a major setback.

If Judge Wells can see through SCOG's smokescreen in the IBM case, I think IBM will get their SJ and that'll be the next domino to fall over.

9 posted on 08/11/2004 3:34:47 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (http://scaryjohnkerry.com/)
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To: TechJunkYard

Interesting that Novell already publicly admitted SCO owns some of the Unix copyrights:

"Novell on Friday reluctantly acknowledged that the amendment "appears to support SCO's claim that ownership of certain copyrights for Unix did transfer to SCO in 1996." "

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0606novelbacks2.html

Even if Novell does still own some or all of the copyrights, SCO likely purchased the rights to enforce them:

"a section that gives to SCO "all claims...against any parties relating to any right, property or asset included in the (Unix) business" could be interpreted to give SCO the right to enforce the copyright"

http://marketwatch-cnet.com.com/2100-1016_3-1013229.html


10 posted on 08/15/2004 8:10:52 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Interesting that Novell already publicly admitted SCO owns some of the Unix copyrights:

"Novell on Friday reluctantly acknowledged that the amendment "appears to support SCO's claim that ownership of certain copyrights for Unix did transfer to SCO in 1996." "

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0606novelbacks2.html

Oh, okay then. That press release is the whole ball of wax, blows Novell's case to smithereens, we might as well all go home then.

But wait... didn't Novell later have something else to say on the matter? Yeah, I believe they did:

Novell believes it owns the copyrights in UNIX, and has applied for and received copyright registrations pertaining to UNIX consistent with that position. Novell detailed the basis for its ownership position in correspondence with SCO. Copies of our correspondence, and SCO's reply, are available here. Contrary to SCO's public statements, as demonstrated by this correspondence, SCO has been well aware that Novell continues to assert ownership of the UNIX copyrights.
http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/12/pr03080.html

I think the judge also had some things to say on this matter...

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040610202858631

Even if Novell does still own some or all of the copyrights, SCO likely purchased the rights to enforce them:

"a section that gives to SCO "all claims...against any parties relating to any right, property or asset included in the (Unix) business" could be interpreted to give SCO the right to enforce the copyright"

http://marketwatch-cnet.com.com/2100-1016_3-1013229.html

Dude, when are you going to learn that journalists are not lawyers? Your press releases don't mean jack.

What Santa Cruz Operation purchased was a Unix license administration business, from which copyrights to the software were specifically excluded. What The SCO Group thinks the Santa Cruz Operation purchased is irrelevant.

SCOG doesn't have the copyrights and never did.

11 posted on 08/15/2004 6:20:42 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (http://scaryjohnkerry.com/)
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Dude, when are you going to learn that journalists are not lawyers?

LOL, those were the exact words of a intellectual property lawyer. You're the one with the questionable source, the "journalist with a paralegal background" over at Jokelaw.

12 posted on 08/15/2004 6:49:30 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
You're the one with the questionable source, the "journalist with a paralegal background"...

I suppose you'd care to provide some evidence that PJ is the one who wrote those documents?

13 posted on 08/16/2004 2:58:13 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (http://scaryjohnkerry.com/)
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To: TechJunkYard

No, I'm just pointing out the irony of you claiming my IP attorney's statements were those of a journalist, when a journalist is your #1 source for information.


14 posted on 08/16/2004 3:09:24 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
.. a journalist is your #1 source for information.

No, actually the documents are. I mainly use that site just for the docs, since it's an excellent repository for SCO case filings, notwithstanding what PJ actually says. You'll notice that I never quote her -- just the docs.

15 posted on 08/16/2004 4:34:52 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (http://scaryjohnkerry.com/)
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To: Golden Eagle
LOL, those were the exact words of a intellectual property lawyer.

Oh yeah, that guy was a lawyer, wasn't he? Strange that he didn't pick up on the fact that Novell explicitly told SCOG to "waive any purported right SCO may claim to require IBM to treat IBM Code itself as subject to the confidentiality obligations...", as was Novell's right according to the same contract.

As far as that goes, whether SCOG had the right to go after alleged violators really doesn't matter since they were bound by 4.16(b) to check with Big Daddy Novell first, if the alleged violator was one of Big Daddy's licensees.

16 posted on 08/16/2004 6:07:15 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (http://scaryjohnkerry.com/)
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