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Illinois senate race, Version 2.0
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 8/12/04 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 08/11/2004 5:42:04 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Illinois senate race, Version 2.0

Random observations as we now move onto the real contest:

Much will be made about Alan Keyes not being an Illinois resident. It’s a little late to whine about that. For a couple of hundred years, the U.S. Constitution has simply required a senatorial candidate "be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen." Dr. Keyes didn’t force himself on Illinois. He was asked to run. The carpetbagger talk and Keyes’ criticism of Hillary will fade quickly as the public’s focus moves on. One thing the Alan Keyes selection made painfully apparent was how pitiable the Illinois Republican Party — or at least the tattered remnants that remain of it — is. More than 12 million Illinoisans, and the state GOP had to get someone from Maryland to run. That’s what years of Jim Thompson, Jim Edgar and George Ryan in the governor’s mansion did. Thompson and Edgar blurred the distinction between the parties with a squishy soft moderation that made elections more personality contests than competitions between differing philosophical values. Ryan continued the party’s erosion, accelerating it with his own form of corruption. Since the weakened GOP can’t provide any support, it has to look to rich folks who can fund their own campaigns. The party couldn’t find an acceptable one after Jack Ryan, so it opted for a candidate who’s known by conservatives across the country.

Alan has his own financial problems. He owes money from past campaigns as well as back Maryland taxes. Obviously, the party is hoping Ambassador Keyes will bring in contributions from out of state. I think he’ll do that, but there’s no way that he’ll come close to matching his opponent’s $10 million.

That being the case, Mr. Keyes needs as much free publicity as he can get. No doubt he hoped to have several debates that would give him needed exposure. His opponent is already backing away from his call for there to be six debates. Three may be good, or possibly just two. Funny, isn’t it, how the golden boy of the Democratic Party has gotten camera shy so suddenly?

Whatever debates there are will be a hoot. Mr. Obama gives good TelePrompTer, but in a one-on-one situation, can he do as well? Mr. Keyes’ oratory is among his strongest points. He speaks in complete sentences, and uses logic and thoughtful reasoning. Whether this will fly with Illinois voters is uncertain. Still, both candidates appear quick-witted and watching their dueling philosophies should be a treat. As a Keyes supporter (you knew that, didn’t you?), I only hope the ambassador takes it easy with assertions, such as he made Sunday, that he has confidence "because the victory is for God." Rhetoric like that scares many people.

I don’t believe Mr. Keyes’ candidacy will prop up the state party enough for President Bush to win here. At the same time, having a decent standard bearer for the senate may help save some Republican scalps further down on the ticket. As bumbling as the GOP is, I was waiting for them to slate George Ryan to replace Jack.

With Jack Ryan finally and officially out of the race, I’m sure going to miss those pictures of his ex-wife.

With Mr. Keyes in the race, Barack Obama will not be able to effortlessly slide to victory with no opposition. He’ll have to campaign in Illinois, keeping him out of other states in which his media-awarded "rock star" status may have helped other Democrats win.

Alan Keyes and Barack Obama offer a real choice between the liberal and conservative viewpoints. They have completely different visions of what government should do and what its role in our daily lives should be.

The rest of America will closely watch the Illinois senate race. In this, it resembles another Illinois senatorial match up, the one between Stephen A. Douglas and Abraham Lincoln. You may recall that Democrat Douglas won that election. Odds are heavily in favor of another Democratic win this year. But Alan Keyes isn’t going down without a fight.

Mike Bates' new book, Right Angles and Other Obstinate Truths, is available at Barnesandnoble.com, Booksamillion.com, Amazon.com or iUniverse.com and can be ordered through most bookstores.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: illinoisgop; keyes; lincolndouglas; obama; ryan
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To: BikerNYC
Fifty isn't a magic number, but, I think we're stuck with the ones that we have got. Historical inertia, shall we call it?

What I would suggest is that we expand the House, and the state legislatures, and make smaller districts with fewer constituitents per Representative.

41 posted on 08/11/2004 2:26:27 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: BikerNYC
If senatorial candidate John Smith receives a majority of votes promising to represent the interests of the electorate in a particular way in matters x, y, and z, and he does so, what interests of the State is he not representing by carrying out the will of the electorate?

It's been awhile (perhaps too long) since I read the Federalist Papers, but one of the notions underlying the system of government was that as long as different factions were fighting with each other to maintain their own powers, liberty would be safe. The danger would be if any particular faction was too successful in concentrating power unto itself.

If you were a state legislator, would you support a Senator who threatened to withhold highway funds from states that didn't impose a 0.08 BAC level? Or would you see such a move as a threat to your own personal power, even if your state happened to have a BAC of 0.08 already?

One of the major principles of federalism is that different people in different places get to live under different laws. If 67% of the people in 67% of the states want to live under a certain law, but only 33% of the people in the other states wants to, should everyone have to live under that law?

As I've drawn up the numbers, 56% of the people want such a law. So imposing it nationwide would make 56% of the people happy. On the other hand, if the law were imposed only in those states that wanted it, 67% of the people would be happy. So which is a better solution?

If people elect Senators directly, it's likely that 67% of the Senators will support imposing the law nationwide. If legislators elect Senators, however, it's much more likely that the legislators in states where such a law is desired would impose the law themselves and not pressure their Senator to do so. After all, they've given their people what they want without involving the Senate, and thus avoid giving away any power they don't have to.

42 posted on 08/11/2004 7:07:31 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: TigersEye
What motivated the average voter? What does the average voter know about the state's finances, resources, industry etc, etc.? The people of a state can keep track of local issues better, in terms of what their elected officials are doing, and have a greater effect on their willingness to comply with their wishes. So you hire people with experience that applies to your state.

I remember once upon a time on some discussion board (I think it was pre-FR) someone suggested the idea of having the public vote on the Fed interest rate. Everyone casts a ballot and the rate would be set to the average of all the votes.

Clearly a bad idea in that most people have no clue about how the rate should be set, but also because using an average would encourage people to vote higher or lower than what they really wanted to "steer" the rate to the right value. For example, suppose you wanted the rate to be 4.0, and you were allowed to vote for any number 0.0 to 10.0. If others' votes average 4.5, you should vote for 0.0; if others' votes average 3.5, you should vote for 10.0. Only if others' votes average exactly 4.0 should you yourself vote for 4.0.

An improvement to this system, which overcomes the problem of encouraging people to "exaggerate" their vote (but does not, unfortunately, solve the problem of public cluelessness) would be to set the rate to the median voted-upon value, rather than the average. In this way, everyone who votes above the median gets the same 'weight' of vote as everyone who votes below the median.

In a way, I see the difference between a direct overall plebeiscite versus a multi-level indirect system as being somewhat analagous to the difference between the 'average' Fed-rate vote versus the 'median' one.

43 posted on 08/11/2004 7:19:43 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: familyofman
Fairer for who? Looks like someone is trying to 'rig the system' to get a desired result. Why should a citizen have less of a vote based on where they live? Why not base it on; income, eye color, height (tall people get 1/2 vote)...?

Suppose 100% of the people in NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, and a few other cities comprising 51% of the US population want to live under a certain law, and 0% of the population elsewhere does. Which is a 'fairer' approach:

  1. The leaders in those cities pass laws which apply to those cities; the leaders elsewhere don't pass such laws.
  2. The federal government applies the laws to everyone.
If the people in an area all favor a certain side of an issue, they may be somewhat disenfranchised at the federal level, but this is not necessarily a bad thing: if support for the issue is localized, odds are pretty good it shouldn't BE a federal issue in the first place.
44 posted on 08/11/2004 7:43:06 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: BikerNYC
What are the interests of a State other than the cummulative interests of those who reside within the State?

That is exactly my point. With the current system of popular vote the urban center of a state is represented and the rural areas are not. Rural areas carry the industrial, agricultural, mining and recreational load yet it is city dwellers who call the tune. They know nothing (and care nothing) about the concerns of people and businesses there.

They control those activities for their own perceived benefit imposing environmental regs, zoning regs and other laws that benefit or are thought to benefit the city dweller. It put enormous pressures on rural citizens and businesses. The very people and businesses that produce the essential materials for living.

On the other side of the coin the rural folks have no say in what happens in the cities which often overflows in effect into rural life.

That's not a balanced approach to the states interests as a whole that's a one sided, winner-takes-all approach. Cumulative is just another word for "will of the majority" which is not what the founders had in mind. We were a republic not a democracy. We had a "rule of law" not two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

45 posted on 08/12/2004 9:30:10 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: BikerNYC
What you are arguing for is smaller states, ...

Never. What I argue for is a return to the wisdom of the original intent and structure of the Constitution.

... Go draw the new map.

I won't need to. If easterners continue to squeeze the west and the south for all they can get, selfishly disregarding their concerns, the people there will (and have before) pick up their guns and fight back. The map will be redrawn, not into smaller states, but into NE, South, West, SW, NW and Southern CA. I'm sure you have no idea just how fed up westerners are. Just how fractured this country is.

46 posted on 08/12/2004 9:40:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Chemist_Geek; BikerNYC; Mike Bates
By mandating popular election of Senators, the power of the urban areas made a dramatic jump.

And the concerns of urban centers lend themselves well to the centralisation of power on the Federal level. Redistribution of wealth. Gun control. Abortion on demand. Acceptance of an activist judiciary in general. Federal control of everything from education to the social policies of drug enforcement. From highways and other infra-structure projects to health care oversight.

The states lose power and the residents lose their voice on the local level.

47 posted on 08/12/2004 9:48:58 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: BikerNYC
Don't you mean that it reduced the power of a State's elected (and, perhaps, unelected) officials who would otherwise have chosen the State's senator, and transferred that power to the State's electorate?

By doing so, it made the Senate redundant, since the state's electorate already elected their representatives in the House. The Senate was supposed to be a different, more deliberative body, by NOT being elected by the whims of the people.

-PJ

48 posted on 08/12/2004 9:50:53 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Mike Bates

Thanks Mike...


49 posted on 08/12/2004 9:54:15 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: TheBigB

Independent polls in 30 days or so will be the track to watch...


50 posted on 08/12/2004 9:55:39 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: TigersEye
The Senate was to be a check on the House. The House, working directly for the people, would craft laws and treaties and bills. The Senate (which could also do those things) would represent the individual state's interests. The Senate, being longer tenured and more narrowly chosen, was to be the august tempering body that kept the more mercurial, temporal and widely dispersed interests of the House in check.

And don't forget about the Senate's advise and consent responsibilities. The Senate is responsible for confirming Executive appointments.

-PJ

51 posted on 08/12/2004 9:56:36 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Mike Bates

Great stuff here...


52 posted on 08/12/2004 9:57:06 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: supercat
If you were a state legislator, would you support a Senator who threatened to withhold highway funds from states that didn't impose a 0.08 BAC level? Or would you see such a move as a threat to your own personal power, even if your state happened to have a BAC of 0.08 already?

Furthermore, would a Senator appointed by states even support having the funds leave the state in the first place? Why can't the state just improve the roads on their own? Why should the money flow to Washington, only to be doled back with strings attached?

-PJ

53 posted on 08/12/2004 10:01:23 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: supercat
In a way, I see the difference between a direct overall plebeiscite versus a multi-level indirect system as being somewhat analagous to the difference between the 'average' Fed-rate vote versus the 'median' one.

It does sound similar. Original intent was wrapped around the filtering, slowing effect of representative government as opposed to majority will government. The representative model provides one strong voice for a pocket of people competing against an equal voice for other groups of people. It cools debate and requires reasoned compromises to achieve a consensus. Majority will is an immediate imposition of the rule of the most popular opinion of the moment. It is much more open to emotional labilities and closed to reason.

54 posted on 08/12/2004 10:10:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
And don't forget about the Senate's advise and consent responsibilities. The Senate is responsible for confirming Executive appointments.

True. Which directly effects the balance of fed authority over states authority. The executive presiding over federal enforcement through the U.S. Attorney General and judicial offices who exert power over states through federal courts.

As it is Senators have more loyalty to the federal government than their own state and act accordingly.

55 posted on 08/12/2004 10:18:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Thanks so much.


56 posted on 08/12/2004 11:26:06 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Did I mention I'm peddling a book?)
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To: TigersEye
As it is Senators have more loyalty to the federal government than their own state and act accordingly.

Actually, as it is, Senators have more loyalty to their party than to the federal government.

As was pointed out earlier in the thread, the national party is responsible for funding all the Senate races, which is why you would have the Senator from New York fundraising in California, for instance. Senate elections are 33 of the most expensive elections that occur every two years. If you eliminate the popular election of Senators, you eliminate the need for this fundraising.

Now, House races are amongst such small electorates that it doesn't make sense to raise large sums of money, or have a national party organization to coordinate funding across all 435 congressional districts. Therefore, with the elimination of a directly elected Senate, that leaves only the office of the President to raise national campaign funds. Without the noise of the Senate elections, can the national parties justify their activities solely for the presidential campaigns?

I don't think so. Therefore, eliminating direct election of Senators would be the elegant campaign finance reform.

-PJ

57 posted on 08/12/2004 11:26:19 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: BikerNYC; Mike Bates
Early 20th Century Progressive:

Exactly!

(Walks away from thread to campaign for the Bull Moose party.)

58 posted on 08/12/2004 1:08:59 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("Sit Ubu. Sit. "(Woof!) "Good dog. ")
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To: Mike Bates

Only if you equate "power of individual states" with state legislatures.


59 posted on 08/12/2004 1:13:06 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: zeugma

That is nonsense. Federalism has little or nothing to do with the method of Senatorial selection to the National body. Apparently you are not clear on the meaning of federalism.

Nor is it true that non-state residents were not appointed by legislatures to the Senate.


60 posted on 08/12/2004 1:16:14 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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