Spies Like Goss /How much of a hack is Bush's CIA nominee?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104981/fr/ifr/#ContinueArticle ^ | Aug. 10, 2004, at 2:39 PM PT | Fred Kaplan

[Former Military Chick]

If Porter Goss becomes the next CIA director (a big if, by the way), two predictions can be made with confidence. First, to the extent possible, he will return the agency's clandestine branch to its adventurous, gun-toting days of yore. Second, he will be ruthlessly loyal to George W. Bush.

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Goss, who has been the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for the past eight years, was himself a CIA spy from 1962-71, stationed in Miami during the Cuban missile crisis, then in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, and Western Europe.

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Goss also came to Bush's aid a few months earlier, during the Joseph Wilson-Valerie Plame scandal. One would think that a former CIA spy might be appalled by reports that a White House official had publicly exposed the identity of an undercover agent, especially as an act of political retaliation against the agent's spouse. The blatant politicization of intelligence is, or should be, anathema to any professional spy—or prospective CIA director.

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Finally, there is the question of independence. Most official panels on reforming intelligence emphasize the need to separate analysis from policy—professional objectivity from politics. At least since June, Goss has been campaigning to be the next CIA director, and in that time he has served energetically as a shill for Bush's re-election. His record might make him a good candidate for director of operations, but his behavior makes him a bad one for director of the CIA.

[Former Military Chick]

Gloves are off!

[snooker]

Do you think the Dim-nuts would have any different reply to any nominee Bush chose? I doubt it. Bush could probably nominate the swimmer and the dims would turn on him like sharks after a meal.

It's life or death time for the dim party and they know it.

[maestro]

:-)

It's about secrets.....not 'soaps'.

[Gator113]

Unless he was in Cambodia for Christmas in 1968 and being shot at, while witnessing young and heroic Kerry in action, he will never make it!

[cyncooper]

First, to the extent possible, he will return the agency's clandestine branch to its adventurous, gun-toting days of yore. Second, he will be ruthlessly loyal to George W. Bush.

Excellent. From what I know of Goss, he'll be "ruthlessly" loyal to these United States.

Goss also came to Bush's aid a few months earlier, during the Joseph Wilson-Valerie Plame scandal. One would think that a former CIA spy might be appalled by reports that a White House official had publicly exposed the identity of an undercover agent, especially as an act of political retaliation against the agent's spouse. The blatant politicization of intelligence is, or should be, anathema to any professional spy—or prospective CIA director.

Poor misguided and deluded Slate. Are they stupid or deceitful? They don't get or refuse to see that the Plame scandal has nothing to do with the WH doing a damn thing wrong and Goss standing by the Bush administration while that false charge is made is to be admired, not reviled. Goss was and probably is horrified at the political chicanery that was taking place within the CIA and is just the man to start cleaning it up.

[Former Military Chick]

Unless he was in Cambodia for Christmas in 1968 and being shot at, while witnessing young and heroic Kerry in action, he will never make it!

Part of me feels that if the Swift Boad folks had just stuck to your statement, it might have gone a bit further with folks that question everything. Excellent thought.

[francisurquhart]

If Porter Goss becomes the next CIA director (a big if, by the way), two predictions can be made with confidence. First, to the extent possible, he will return the agency's clandestine branch to its adventurous, gun-toting days of yore. Second, he will be ruthlessly loyal to George W. Bush. I like him more already!

[bikepacker67]

he will return the agency's clandestine branch to its adventurous, gun-toting days of yore.

Ya know... back when we weren't being gravely threatened by islamofascists.

Let's not forget that Senator JF'nK wanted to GUT the CIA in the 80's

[Former Military Chick]

Frankly I do not read much of Slate. Perhaps for the reason you have illustrated. But, I would like to know what is being said prior to his confirmation hearings.

No doubt they (democrats) will pull out every trick they know to disparage this man's reputation.

[Howlin]

First, to the extent possible, he will return the agency's clandestine branch to its adventurous, gun-toting days of yore.

Good!!!!

[steplock]

To run the CIA, you need to have the experience as an agent.

Being ex-ASA, and CIA, he fits that qualification well. I haven't read his resume, but he probably also has some 'green beenie' experience also.

Screams about partisanship is BS. The only partisanship in the intelligence units (before clinton that is) was for the USA. We just need to finish getting rid of all the moles that we are now inundated with.

We cannot afford another dnc plant.

[Howlin]

ROFLMAO.........you sure can sniff those Wilson/Plame quotes out.....I should have known you'd see that one!

[cyncooper]

heheheheheh

[Former Military Chick]

Search on the new CIA director Rep. Goss. I cannot atest to all the links but I did highlight those that caught my eye. Hope this gives you background on who he is.

http://www.peaceandjustice.org/lies/eshoo-letter.htm
"As an employee of the Defense Intelligence Agency, I know how this adm...
June 10, 2003 The Honorable Porter Goss Chairman Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515 Dear Mr. Chairman, Pursuant to Rule 9 of the Committee
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http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-wfsection+article+articleid-1261.html
.: United States Information :. .: All American Patriots :.
Statement of Representative Porter Goss to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States May 22, 2003. Good
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http://www.cnn.com/
9/11 recommendations debated
Aug 5 2004 12:51PM
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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=51498
A LETTER FROM GEORGE TENET BLASTS PORTER GOSS
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http://www.abc-7.com/articles/article.asp?articleid=1028&z=2
ABC7 News Online - Goss the next CIA director?
... to three and one of them is retiring Congressman Porter Goss, R-Sanibel. Goss was a CIA member in the 1960's and ...
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http://archive.aclu.org/vote-guide/Goss_P.html
ACLU Rating for Representative Goss
You are currently visiting the ACLU online archives. These pages are not updated. For the latest information from the ACLU, go to http://www.aclu.org/. Representative Porter J. Goss. Republican, Florida. School Vouchers. H.R. 2546. Welfare Overhaul
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http://www.menafn.com/
Analysis: Major obstacles to intel reform
Aug 6 2004 1:32AM
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http://www.sfgate.com/
Analysts offer reservations on 9/11 recommendations
Aug 4 2004 7:32PM
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http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/7810198.htm
AP Wire | 01/27/2004 | Goss Tells AP He Approves Kay Disclosure
Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., said in an interview with The Associated Press. Goss, a former CIA officer, said he agrees with Kay that President Bush made the right decision to invade Iraq and depose its
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http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/121798iraq-congress.3a.ram.html
Audio: Rep. Porter Goss, R-FL
Rep. Porter Goss, R-FL, says after the air strikes are over, he wants a report on the timing of the attack. (Requires Real Player)
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http://www.duluthsuperior.com/
Caution urged in intelligence system overhaul
Aug 5 2004 11:53AM
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)
Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees. "When the news [of the Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Sen. Bob Graham and other members of the House Intelligence Committee were
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http://intelligence.house.gov/chairbio107.htm
Chairman Porter J Goss
Goss Home Chairman Porter J. Goss Ranking Democrat Nancy Pelosi Committee Membership Subcommittees J. GOSS CONGRESSIONAL SERVICE A 29-year resident of Southwest Florida, Porter Goss was elected to
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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0706-11.htm
Cheney Cat's Paw, Porter Goss, as CIA Director?
Printer Friendly VersionE-Mail This Article. Published on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org. Cheney Cat's Paw, Porter Goss, as CIA Director? by Ray McGovern ... them to suffer, they are shuddering again at press reports that Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) may soon be their new boss ...
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http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-24-04/discussion.cgi.26.html
CIA Shill Porter Goss: HR3179 Expands Patriot II
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http://us.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/house.goss.ap
CNN.com - House debates intelligence funding - Jun 24, 2004
As the House debated an intelligence authorization bill far into the night, the focus often turned to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, who may be a top contender to be the next ...
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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/07/en.00.html
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... past practices and past policy? NOVAK: Porter Goss is a former U.S. Army intelligence officer and a ... United States? REP. PORTER GOSS (R-FL), CHAIRMAN, INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: What I ...
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/21/sprj.nirq.main/index.html
CNN.com - Two U.S. soldiers killed near Ba'qubah - Jan. 22, 2004
Porter Goss, R-Florida. He said that applied to "not only with the Saddam Hussein regime, but with some of the Taliban and some of the things that have been going on in North Korea, Libya, Iran and
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1159583/posts
CNN: Sources Say Porter Goss New CIA Chief
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http://www.news-press.com/news/columnists/031018polcol.html
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http://www.house.gov/rules/gossbio.htm
Congressman Porter Goss
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Democratic Underground Forums - "Fahrenheit" scene puts heat on Porter Goss (spoiler alert)
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[maestro]

Dosen't Potter Goss have his very own 'Swift Boat'....?

:-)

[The Electrician]

especially as an act of political retaliation against the agent's spouse

It is ridiculous statements like that one that lead me to question either the motives or the intelligence of the writer. The writer is parrotting a talking point handed out by Joseph Wilson and by the DNC, without applying any critical thinking to it. There is no credible evidence on the table to support the claim (or even the inference) that Plame's name was given to the media in order to retaliate (somehow) against Wilson. Identifying Plame as a CIA employee does help to illuminate why an unqualified Wilson may have been given the "job" of visiting Niger, but it does not make sense as "retaliation".

Actual retaliation might involve, for example, dirty tricks or other actions taken by Clinton appointees, such as revealing confidential information about Linda Tripp's minor brush with the law as a teenager - a revelation that does not shed any light whatsoever on how Linda Tripp became a central figure in exposing Clinton's crimes. In a similar vein, if retaliation against Wilson were the goal of the supposed administration official(s) who leaked Plame's identity to the media, then you would expect the leak to be aimed at damaging Wilson's own credibility in some fashion, such as connecting him to the KKK, or revealing juicy pictures of him in a compromising sexual position with a barnyard animal, or publicizing defamatory information from his own FBI file, or the like. Revealing Wilson's wife's complicity in the Niger affair, and Wilson's lies about it, merely opens the door for a curious investigative journalist (if any still exist) to follow the trail of an important story that was ignored by the media in their haste to annoint Wilson as a "truth-teller" who could chop the legs out from under the President.

[Tacis]

Well, Schmuckie Schumer has already strated the opposition. The dem crapweasels will obstruct, block and pee in the pool just as they would no matter who Bush nominated.

I hope that the good guys have already prepared a campaign to domonstrate how selfish, nasty and uncaring about the nation these weasels, make that, lying weasels are.

[Former Military Chick]

Your post is quite revealing. Thank you. Never cease to amaze myself that I learn so much from fellow Freepers.

[skip_intro]

If Porter Goss becomes the next CIA director (a big if, by the way), two predictions can be made with confidence. First, to the extent possible, he will return the agency's clandestine branch to its adventurous, gun-toting days of yore

God forbid that the CIA returns back to the days when it actually worked!

[Rummyfan]

Maybe Goss is the agent who gave Kerry his 'lucky hat' before that secret trip into Cambodia, which Kerry has since advertised in the MSM and on the floor of the Senate.