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Dershowitz On Presbyterian Anti-Israel Decision
Israel National News ^ | 10 Aug 04

Posted on 08/10/2004 1:30:41 PM PDT by xzins

Dershowitz On Presbyterian Anti-Israel Decision 18:19 Aug 10, '04 / 23 Av 5764

The Presbyterian Church (USA) resolved last month to condemn Israel's anti-terror partition/wall, to continue to fund the Avodat Yisrael church in Philadelphia that engages in missionary work towards Jews, and to divest from companies that do business with Israel. Excerpts from an article in the Los Angeles Times by Law Prof. Alan Dershowitz in response to the Presbyterian Church's anti-Israel decisions:

"The Presbyterian Church (USA) has committed a grievous sin. The General Assembly of that church has voted to divest from only one country in the world. No, it was not China, which has occupied Tibet for half a century and continues to deny basic human rights to its own citizens. No, it was not Iran, which threatens nuclear holocaust, executes dissenters and denies religious freedom to Christians and Jews. No, it was not North Korea, Libya, Russia, Sudan, Cuba or Belarus. It was - you guessed it - Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East and America's most reliable ally in a troubled part of the world.

"The way it will work is simple: A blacklist will be prepared for the church's leaders, showing companies that earn more than $1 million annually from investments in Israel or that invest more than $1 million a year in Israel. The Presbyterians plan to divest from any company on the list - with a handful of exemptions for companies that deal in education, social welfare programs and construction.

"How did the church come to such a ludicrous, wrongheaded position? Just look at the resolution itself, which bursts with bigotry and ignorance. It effectively blames the Israelis for Palestinian slaughter of civilians by asserting that the occupation is the "root" of terrorism. This canard ignores the reality that the Palestinian leadership opted for murder and violence as the tactic of choice well before there was any occupation, and that the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad have vowed to continue murdering Jews after the occupation ends, as long as the Jewish state exists.

"The Presbyterian resolution effectively calls for the end of Israel by insisting on "the right of [Palestinian] refugees to return to their homeland." This is a well-known euphemism for turning Israel from a Jewish state into another state with a Palestinian majority. (Jordan is the other.)

"The Presbyterian resolution also condemns Israel's military actions taken in defense of its civilians. It claims, without an iota of proof and against all the available evidence, that Israel commits "horrific acts of violence and deadly attacks on innocent people," when the truth is that Israel, like the United States, goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid killing innocent people. It equates Israel's targeting of terrorists with Palestinian targeting of civilians.

"...Divestment also encourages the continued use of terrorism by Palestinian leaders, who see that when Israel responds to their terrorism, it causes an important church to punish Israel. I do not believe that a majority of the 2.5 million Presbyterians in the U.S. want their church used to support terrorism. But they are now on notice that their church has been hijacked and its name misused in the service of an immoral tactic.

"...Unless the church rescinds this immoral, sinful and bigoted denigration of the Jewish state, it will be "participating in" and "contributing to" anti-Jewish bigotry and the encouragement of terrorism [in the words of a Presbyterian resolution of 1987]. ...Will grassroots Presbyterians overthrow and prune the rotten branches to prevent the rotting for the next generation under their influence, or will they passively allow the desecration of their faith by leftist radicals?"

In response to much criticism of the decisions, the Church released a statement of justification. Regarding the criticism of its claim that occupation is the "root" of terrorism, the Church said only that its position was not new: "In previous Assemblies, the church has called for an end to the occupation, as the principal cause of the conflict."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dershowitz; divest; investments; israel; palestine; pcusa
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1 posted on 08/10/2004 1:30:42 PM PDT by xzins
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No, it was not China, which has occupied Tibet for half a century and continues to deny basic human rights to its own citizens. No, it was not Iran, which threatens nuclear holocaust, executes dissenters and denies religious freedom to Christians and Jews. No, it was not North Korea, Libya, Russia, Sudan, Cuba or Belarus. It was - you guessed it - Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East and America's most reliable ally in a troubled part of the world.

Well stated

2 posted on 08/10/2004 1:31:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: xzins

Alan D. is a little full of himself here. Since when is it "bigoted" to excercise a right to do business with whom one (in this case the church) chooses?

Yes, in many Americans' (including mine) opinions, Israel has done nothing (or little) wrong in dealing with the scourge that is the Palestinian "resistance." However, its not like the church is advocating violence, or even denying the funding of social and/or educational ventures.

The church has simply taken a peaceful position of protest. Playing the "bigot" card is totally disingenuous and pig-headed, in my humble opinion.

For what its worth, I'm Jewish.


3 posted on 08/10/2004 1:42:28 PM PDT by Tulane
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To: xzins

Is Dershowitz supportive of the WOT and specifically the war in Iraq? I have not heard him pan Bush which is suprising based on his record during impeachment. I suppose he is just a strong supporter of Israel.


4 posted on 08/10/2004 1:42:34 PM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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To: xzins

The PCUSA denomination has a history of being far more liberal (both socially and biblically) than many other denominations, including the PCA--Presbyterian Church of America. While I agree with the poster who pointed out that the church is a private group that is free to support or do business with whomever they want, from a religious standpoint this denomination's opinions on Israel are not comparable to many other protestant denominations' opinions.


5 posted on 08/10/2004 1:48:36 PM PDT by susiek
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To: Tulane
Since when is it "bigoted" to excercise a right to do business with whom one (in this case the church) chooses?

When it's based on ignoring the hatred and genocide spewing from the lips of the people you are supporting.

Just because you have the "freedom" to do business with whomever you wish, doesn't mean that your choice isn't for bigoted reasons.

In this case, it's anti-semitic.

6 posted on 08/10/2004 1:50:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Tulane
Alan D. is a little full of himself here. Since when is it "bigoted" to excercise a right to do business with whom one (in this case the church) chooses?

I think if you look up the word bigot, you will not find any reference to legal rights. Bigots are free under our constitution to engage in bigoted behavior. It is their attitude that is bigoted.

Prehaps you mave mistaken bigotry for "discrimination", a word which has taken on legal implications.

7 posted on 08/10/2004 1:53:13 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Tulane

I respectfully disagree. To ignore the atrocities committed by the Palestinians is to condone them. It's like the Holocaust deniers. They state that they are against genocide. But then they deny it existed. In reality they condone what Hitler did.


8 posted on 08/10/2004 1:56:47 PM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: xzins
The PCUSA is a dying denomination anyway.

The only thing that I found surprising in their voting was the support of missionizing Jews.

Apparently the only people the PCUSA are comfortable witnessing to are Jews.

9 posted on 08/10/2004 1:57:17 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: susiek
PCUSA vs. PCA

I'm a PCA member. Through the Bible teaching I've heard at my church and my own reading, I've developed a great admiration and love for Israel and the Jewish people. Israel has no greater friend than a believer in Christ who reads the Bible.

10 posted on 08/10/2004 2:00:46 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: xzins
I still say that Dershowitz (who insists that supporters of Israel are the "real radicals" and whose "pro-Israel" book carries only a single blurb--by Mario Cuomo) will eventually endorse Kerry for Pres.

Meanwhile, the decades-long overwhelming support given to Israel and Zionism by Fundamentalists probably offends him even more. After all, "these people represent evil, genuine EVIL!!!"

11 posted on 08/10/2004 2:07:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: xzins
"In this case, it's anti-semitic."

No, it's pro-Palestinian and therefore pro-terrorist and therefore anti-American and therefore anti-Western and just plain stupid. The central motive of this is not anti-semitism.
12 posted on 08/10/2004 2:08:54 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Tulane
Since when is it "bigoted" to excercise a right to do business with whom one (in this case the church) chooses?

Ok, how about "pathetically hypocritical"? You can build a Presbyterian church in Israel, but not in Saudi Arabia. So why aren't they divesting from Saudi investments? What about all the other countries whose civil rights pale in comparison to Israel?

It sounds as of the Presbyterian Church gets its sermons from Noam Chomsky, who has been preaching Israeli divestiture for years. This is as pathetically hypocritical as the UN.
13 posted on 08/10/2004 2:09:58 PM PDT by Akira (Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other.)
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To: xzins

To use one of O'Reilly's favorite words, the Prez-bits leadership are pinheads.


14 posted on 08/10/2004 2:10:42 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: wideawake
Apparently the only people the PCUSA are comfortable witnessing to are Jews.

Maybe we should be glad (I'm surprised) they witness to anyone! I'm told that several years ago at their national convention, PCUSA debated a resolution that held that faith in Christ was the only means to Heavenly salvation.

Excuse me? Do they use a different version of the New Testament than the rest of us?

How could they even debate something like that?

15 posted on 08/10/2004 2:11:22 PM PDT by Gurn (Islam is a cancer.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

In that it's pro-palestinian, and the palestinians want to destroy the Jewish state, it is in that sense anti-semitic.


16 posted on 08/10/2004 2:12:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: xzins

I'm surprised to hear A.D. use the word "sinful." His liberal buddies won't like that one bit.


17 posted on 08/10/2004 2:13:11 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: KJacob
re: I suppose he is just a strong supporter of Israel.)))

Maybe we could do a fundrace.org or a newsmeat.com on him and see if he's donating to Kerry--then we'll know if he supports Israel.

18 posted on 08/10/2004 2:13:41 PM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Someone above asked if AD supports Pres. Bush's WOT...I don't know...but this makes it sound like if AD doesn't, then he's so internally conflicted that he'll soon explode.


19 posted on 08/10/2004 2:15:52 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: xzins
There are Jews who oppose the state of Israel, so I wouldn't necessarily say that opposition to Israel is antisemitic. This whole thing just is part and parcel of the far-left positions taken by American liberal Christianity. In my opinion, these people are among the most irredeemably stupid people on earth. They are like the pacifist parson in "The War of the Worlds" who advances towards the Martians mutterung "they are creatures of God, just like us," moments before he is turned into a cinder by their heat ray.
20 posted on 08/10/2004 2:18:15 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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