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To: SoothingDave
Yeah, I remember all those stories about Catholics blowing up pizza parlors and truck bombs. You're a riot.

One doesn't need to blow up pizza parlors or use truck bombs to be nasty. Roman Catholics in Southamerica in the particular story I'm thinking of ran Christians out of town using Shotguns, threatening their lives. Some they rounded up and locked in the local jail. Are we handwringing, Dave. Is this the "we're not quite as bad as them" argument. Cause I don't see anyone charging Rome with truckbombing Islamicists here or elsewhere. But I also don't think Roman Catholics threatening people's lives, running them off their property or jailing them for being Christian, gives you much room to handwring and play innocent. Rome may very well be innocent in this instance; but, I find it neccessary to ask the question as a matter of being real about it and, perhaps, fair.

We are all in this together, and the sooner you stop trying to blame Catholics for the problem, the sooner you'll become helpful.

Well, I guess I'm already helpful because I didn't blame Catholics. Nor did I attempt to blame Catholics. Not even the Roman Catholics... You might want to get your story straight on that. I asked the obvious question as to whether there was any shared blame based on the claim of Roman Catholics being singled out. Why so necessary to mistate the case and attempt to make me an adversary?

If you think Islam has never targeted Catholics in history, you need a refresher course.

Why would I even care for sake of this case or article? It is enough to know that they are most definitely hostile today. There is an established recent history (long history) in which they have not discriminated further than the appearance of the term Christian. Or are we looking for excuses?

28 posted on 08/09/2004 12:27:00 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Havoc
Roman Catholics in Southamerica in the particular story I'm thinking of ran Christians out of town using Shotguns, threatening their lives. Some they rounded up and locked in the local jail.

Yeah. When that happened to Catholics here in Maryland some people were pretty upset about it as I recall.

[IRONY]

29 posted on 08/09/2004 12:31:11 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Havoc
One doesn't need to blow up pizza parlors or use truck bombs to be nasty. Roman Catholics in Southamerica in the particular story I'm thinking of ran Christians out of town using Shotguns, threatening their lives. Some they rounded up and locked in the local jail. Are we handwringing, Dave. Is this the "we're not quite as bad as them" argument. Cause I don't see anyone charging Rome with truckbombing Islamicists here or elsewhere. But I also don't think Roman Catholics threatening people's lives, running them off their property or jailing them for being Christian, gives you much room to handwring and play innocent. Rome may very well be innocent in this instance; but, I find it neccessary to ask the question as a matter of being real about it and, perhaps, fair.

So, because some Latin Americans get hotheaded, you think it is reasonable to ask whether Arab Catholics are innocent or not, or whether they deserved to have their Sunday services terminated with bombs?

Well, I guess I'm already helpful because I didn't blame Catholics. Nor did I attempt to blame Catholics. Not even the Roman Catholics... You might want to get your story straight on that. I asked the obvious question as to whether there was any shared blame based on the claim of Roman Catholics being singled out.

Why the doublethink? You state you don't blame Catholics, but then question whether Catholics are to blame. Most rational people with even a hint of a grasp of Arab history don't think that bombing victims are perhaps sharing the blame because people half a world away got out of hand.

SD

30 posted on 08/09/2004 12:36:31 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Havoc; redgolum; Land of the Irish; thor76; narses
But I also don't think Roman Catholics threatening people's lives, running them off their property or jailing them for being Christian, gives you much room to handwring and play innocent. Rome may very well be innocent in this instance; but, I find it neccessary to ask the question as a matter of being real about it and, perhaps, fair.

That's ridiculous. You refer to the alleged offenders as "Roman Catholics" and leap to the insinuation that Catholics everywhere, apparently, share some guilt for something that happened in a remote rural region of South America where disputes between Indians, mestizos, Spanish South Americans, the United Fruit Company, and banana plantation owners have been common for many years. It has nothing to do with Catholics, Catholics here or in Iraq or Rome. Neither the Pope nor officials in the Vatican order Catholics to assault non-Catholics. Quite the contrary is the case.

If you were informed or educated about religious matters, you would know these things. Now...cut it out. This is very dorky and silly stuff you are peddling here.

This would sort of be like us suggesting you should be embarrassed or feel guilty that somewhere in the backwoods of West Virginia or Tennessee guys reading the King James version are dancing around with Copperheads and drinking strychnine to the beat of Elvis music.

31 posted on 08/09/2004 12:47:47 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Havoc; redgolum; Land of the Irish; thor76; narses; SoothingDave
A couple of handy links with some documents that should clarify the Catholic positions on the various matters needed to have an intelligent understanding and educated adult conversation of this subject. These should end the matter in dipsute. I expect a rebuttal and correction.

Apostles' Creed These are the official teachings of the church. Nowhere does it say to assault non-believers or non-Catholics.

DECLARATION ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM DIGNITATIS HUMANAE
ON THE RIGHT OF THE PERSON AND OF COMMUNITIES
TO SOCIAL AND CIVIL FREEDOM IN MATTERS RELIGIOUS
PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON DECEMBER 7, 1965

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITHDOCTRINAL NOTE on some questions regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html

39 posted on 08/09/2004 1:46:26 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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