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To: Alamo-Girl
There is always a beginning.

Even if there weren't a beginning--that there were a beginning is just a guess since some three-year old asked gramps where he came from--that would not imply that an earth, our earth, necessarily has to exist. In an infinity all possible things will happen--that hypothesis is a violation of stochastic principles.

10 posted on 08/07/2004 3:20:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale
Even if there weren't a beginning ... that would not imply that an earth, our earth, necessarily has to exist.

Indeed. There would have to be both (a) no beginning and (b) infinity of opportunity - to assure that everything that can happen, does. [including the existence of earth as we know it, sometime in infinity.]

13 posted on 08/07/2004 3:26:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale

Even if there weren't a beginning...

Hi RW,

Existence exists. There is no beginning of existence. Any thing a person could identify as having created or caused existence, the thing identified would have to already exist.

Existence is infinite. There is no beginning to identify. For, to identify any thing can only be done by differentiating it from at least one other thing. Each thing that has identity already exists within existence. Sated differently, absent existence, nothing exists to identify against the proposed beginning of existence.

Every event that occurs happens infinitely. For example, say an event that occurs once ever second, that event will happen infinitely. Now consider an even that happens once every billion years, that event will happen infinite times.

New universe are caused/created infinitely. Universes that beget conscious beings are created/caused infinitely.

Man is the only entity that has the power to interdict the laws of nature. He doesn't have to wait for a lightning bolt to start a forest fire. While early man used flint and stone, modern man reaches into his pocket for a butane lighter.

The laws of nature are preset so that every living entity succumbs to death. Yet conscious beings can interdict nature. Eventually man will mark the death of death with eternal life in the flesh. Always living in essentially youth rejuvinated immortality.

Just as infinite universes will be created that will beget infinite conscious beings, the normal state of conscious beings is youth rejuvenated immortality.

Who or what creates new universes? What entity can understand nature and then use that knowledge to control nature? Conscious beings. Conscious beings are the third macro component of existence. Einstein identified matter and energy as the two major components of existence yet missed the seemingly obvious third component--conscious beings.

There is no one God. Each man and women has the potential to be a God -- Go-Man and God Woman. It is each man's and woman's responsibility to mature into their natural God-self.

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181 posted on 08/08/2004 9:23:30 PM PDT by Zon
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